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-== Death and Memorial Section ==
-This is what the article has listed in it's opening on the Death and Memorial section:
-Actually, Michael Jackson did not "collapse" while at home, all news sources, court documents and even the man in the moon has reported that Jackson was given the drug propofol, among others, to sleep.  Jackson indeed went to sleep, and when checked on later by his personal doctor, was found not breathing.  To say that Jackson collapsed is to say that he was up, about and in possession of his waking faculties, which is a misrepresentation of the facts as they turned out to be.  It is my suggestion that the opening of that section be re-written to better reflect the facts as they occurred.  [[User:Tgox1|Chris Hawk]] ([[User talk:Tgox1|talk]]) 14:21, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
-== Death of Evan Chandler ==
-At the very end of the 'First child sexual abuse allegations (1993)' add Evan Chandler committed suicide November 4, 2009.
-:Is his death really relevant to this article?--[[User:Pawnkingthree|Pawnkingthree]] ([[User talk:Pawnkingthree|talk]]) 20:40, 19 November 2009 (UTC)
-::Seems like it should be.  He killed himself right when the Michael Jackson hype engine was up to full speed and he was about to be given an award for basically dying.  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/12.5.185.254|12.5.185.254]] ([[User talk:12.5.185.254|talk]]) 14:23, 23 November 2009 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
-== Wrong date ==
-Please correct the date of the memorabilia auction as November 2009 not November 2008.  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/208.107.103.57|208.107.103.57]] ([[User talk:208.107.103.57|talk]]) 11:21, 22 November 2009 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
-== This article is in a sad state. ==
-I have been re-reading past versions of this article and this one is by far the worst. Overzealous editors have cut it out to the bare essentials and it feels disjointed and emaciated. Of course wikipedia has been taking a turn for the worse, but it shouldn't be as bad as this...what's next, bullet point articles? I suggest that the people editing here get it together and try to include some of the richness and detail of the original articles. I mean you are devoting two half paragraphs for the singer's second trial without any serious details on his stress problems, his health problems and the general background during his trial.
-Unless this place gets some professional editors keeping it in check it's only going to get worse and worse, which is sad really, but that's how it's going to be.
-[[Special:Contributions/149.254.224.75|149.254.224.75]] ([[User talk:149.254.224.75|talk]]) 01:32, 25 November 2009 (UTC)
-:The article had to be cut to make it a more reasonable size. Even now, it's still too big and takes too long to load. See [[WP:SIZE]] [[User:Mktyscn|Mktyscn]] ([[User talk:Mktyscn|talk]]) 01:37, 25 November 2009 (UTC)
-:The article has got a lot worse since MJ's death. The problem with pages that are suddenly featured in the news and getting millions of daily views, is that everybody wants to have a piece of the pie and say, "Oh, I contributed to the article on the day of his death", etc. That's why I tend to keep away from the MJ articles that are in the news ([[Death of Michael Jackson]], [[Michael Jackson's This Is It]], etc), because it is impossible to keep the article at a good quality. I would hate to imagine the state of the page if it wasn't semi-protected. Cleanup of this article will definitely be a long, tiring and probably thankless process. '''[[User:Pyrrhus16|<font color="black">Pyrrhus</font>]]'''[[User talk:Pyrrhus16|<font color="#FF0000">16</font>]]''' 11:38, 25 November 2009 (UTC)
-::It saddens me to agree with the above comments. There has been a lot of ''ad hoc'' editing since MJ's death in June, leading to the article becoming badly disjointed in places. The article needs some attention to ensure a proper flow, and it would take a good deal of time. Now that things have quietened down in the media, the article should have a read through to see what could be improved.--'''''[[User:ianmacm|<span style="background:#88b;color:#cff;font-variant:small-caps">♦Ian<span style="background:#99c">Ma<span style="background:#aad">c</span></span>M♦</span>]] <sup>[[User_talk:ianmacm|(talk to me)]]</sup>''''' 11:54, 25 November 2009 (UTC)
-:::We could still revert back to the old version of the article prior to his death, then just add a few paragraphs on his death and some career details since he died. Problem solved. — [[User:Realist2|<span style="color:#4173E4">'''''R'''''</span>]][[User_talk:Realist2|<span style="color:#D80B0B"><sup>'''''2'''''</sup></span>]] 18:03, 25 November 2009 (UTC)
-::::I have given this some serious thought, but it might set off edit wars. It would be hard to undo five months of edits in a single leap. The problem with the article at the moment is not [[WP:V]], which is fine, but the bitty and disorganised nature of some of the sections. Other thoughts welcome.--'''''[[User:ianmacm|<span style="background:#88b;color:#cff;font-variant:small-caps">♦Ian<span style="background:#99c">Ma<span style="background:#aad">c</span></span>M♦</span>]] <sup>[[User_talk:ianmacm|(talk to me)]]</sup>''''' 18:19, 25 November 2009 (UTC)
-== FAQ ==
-Is their a classification genre name for the dance that Michael Jackson do on concert? (e.g. Billie Jean dance --?> ?)
---[[Special:Contributions/75.154.186.99|75.154.186.99]] ([[User talk:75.154.186.99|talk]]) 03:19, 25 November 2009 (UTC)
-==The lead section==
-I have been [[wp:bold]] and changed the lead section slightly. As 'king of pop' is not an official or legal title or a stage name, I moved it down a couple of lines. It clears up the first sentence, which should only identify the subject of the article by giving a date of birth/death and any alternative official names. Only die-hard fans would refer to Jackson as 'the king of pop' rather than 'Michael Jackson'. This is supposed to be a scholarly article, and this type of adulatory content is innapropriate in the first line. By searching through the archives I've seen this has been agreed before. --[[User:Tom dl|Tom dl]] ([[User talk:Tom dl|talk]]) 03:48, 28 November 2009 (UTC)
-Edit warring is the last thing I want to do on this article, but a consensus has been reached. [[Talk:Michael_Jackson/Archive_27#King_of_Pop_in_the_lead_section]] Please try to reach an opposite consensus if you feel strongly against this. This message is primarily aimed at [[User:A_Star_Is_Here]] --[[User:Tom dl|Tom dl]] ([[User talk:Tom dl|talk]]) 17:36, 28 November 2009 (UTC)
-Thats not a consensus. Those are suggested ideas from JULY OF 2009 for the nickname and the intro which did'nt get voted on nor did anything much change. Similiar suggstion for the article are here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Michael_Jackson#This_article_is_in_a_sad_state. We are now in closing NOVEMBER 2009. If you feel like King of Pop should'nt be in the first paragraph due to it being "inapropriate" then it should be changed in every article with a similiar first paragraph make ups as well not just Michael Jackson.
-*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elvis_Presley
-*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aretha_Franklin
-*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Brown
-*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy_Acuff
-*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gladys_Knight
-*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donna_Summer
-*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tina_Turner
-and so many others.  [[User:A Star Is Here|A Star Is Here]] ([[User talk:A Star Is Here|talk]]) 20:50, 28 November 2009 (UTC)
-:No it doesn't. It only has to be done on the articles where there is a consensus for that. There's no rule on Wikipedia that says that it all has to be the same. [[User:Mktyscn|Mktyscn]] ([[User talk:Mktyscn|talk]]) 21:09, 28 November 2009 (UTC)
-There should be a consistency on wikipedia but whether with this situation there is or isnt, there should still be a consensus beyond just a discussing suggestions on whether the title should be relocated or not. [[User:A Star Is Here|A Star Is Here]] ([[User talk:A Star Is Here|talk]]) 23:09, 28 November 2009 (UTC)