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== Edit Request ==

Could we list some more quest series? Just like a few more important ones. <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Rollersox|Rollersox]] ([[User talk:Rollersox|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Rollersox|contribs]]) 02:27, 7 June 2010 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:{{notdone}} Sorry, but Wikipedia is not a [[WP:GAMEGUIDE|game guide]]. It's also subjective to describe particular quest series as important. [[User:1ForTheMoney|1ForTheMoney]] ([[User talk:1ForTheMoney|talk]]) 09:57, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

a few more quests listed here has nothing to do with game guides. Important quests include rune mysteries (introduces rune skills) and other quests that introduce skills, useful items, and pets. Please recheck the quests you put in here, as they are not in the least important. <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Domecraft|Domecraft]] ([[User talk:Domecraft|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Domecraft|contribs]]) 19:09, 13 July 2010 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:{{notdone}} - Sorry, I don't see any quests that we could add without making it too [[WP:GUIDE|game guidey]]. The longest series (Plague City) is in there, and general ideas are in there, and that's probably about all.--[[User:Unionhawk|Unionhawk]] <sup>[[User talk:Unionhawk|Talk]]</sup> <sup>[[Special:EmailUser/Unionhawk|E-mail]]</sup> 03:18, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

Who makes these users in "charge" of the contributions to a public wiki? I think you both should take time to review the guidelines for Wikipedia contributions. If the person can cite legitimate references on a contribution, then all the rollbacks in the world are only going to make you look like a vandal. This is not what being an admin or useful contributor to Wikipedia is about. It is not about what you "think" is the right thing to put in a wiki, its about following the guidelines and allowing the free flow of information as long as it is reputable and it maintains the factual basis for information reference. If this same ideology was applied to military pages, then pages for operations in the middle east would not be allowed to exist as wikis. Perhaps, I would suggest, making another page which lists the quests as a factual account of what occurs during these quests, not as a guide to completion, but as a reference to the existence of game content. Just an idea. [[User:Aetern142|Aetern142]] ([[User talk:Aetern142|talk]]) 21:45, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
:[[WP:OWN|We're not in charge]] of anything (although it seems that way). It's just that we don't want to write a [[WP:GAMEGUIDE|game-guide]] with everything that exists or has ever existed on RuneScape. It's simply not manageable. Also note that reverting good-faith edits isn't necessarily vandalism - edits can be good-faith but still not helpful. [[User:1ForTheMoney|1ForTheMoney]] ([[User talk:1ForTheMoney|talk]]) 07:19, 10 September 2010 (UTC)


{edit} I agree that there needs to be more of the important quests added in. IE Wolfs Whistle. This is the quest that actually allows you to use the Summoning skill. You mention all of the skills in the game but not the fact that there are three differnet skills which you must do a quest before you can even use a freaking exp lamp to raise the skill. please add the important quests as it will add more depth into how the game mechanichs work. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/165.138.12.250|165.138.12.250]] ([[User talk:165.138.12.250|talk]]) 14:40, 5 November 2010 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:In the grand scheme of things, it will also be too trivial. So {{not done}}. [[User:1ForTheMoney|1ForTheMoney]] ([[User talk:1ForTheMoney|talk]]) 15:51, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

At that point why not at least add to the quests or skills section one that some skills are unlocked by the quests? or put the quests in parenthases after the skill to show the connection. IE "...Summoning"(After Wolf Whistle quest) in that case it isn't a major addition and will satisfy those who know about the game and think it needs to be added...... <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Enm7|Enm7]] ([[User talk:Enm7|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Enm7|contribs]]) 18:49, 5 November 2010 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:No, it doesn't, because you've misunderstood the target audience. Keep in mind that this article [[WP:GAMEGUIDE|isn't written for people who know about RuneScape]], it's for people who want a general, ''encyclopedic'' overview of the subject. Things like "players can do quests" is fine, while "players need quest X to unlock skill Y" is not. [[User:1ForTheMoney|1ForTheMoney]] ([[User talk:1ForTheMoney|talk]]) 19:33, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

== What to do with images? ==

Now that the peer review has been closed, we should look at the images being used in the article, and whether they meet the [[WP:NFCC|non-free content criteria]]. We presently have 5 images being used under fair-use, and per criteria 3 this is too many and one or two should be removed.

The 5 images affected are:
*'''The RuneScape logo''' - I can see no issue with using this.
*'''Image of RS-Classic combat''' - this is the only image of RS-Classic in the article and could be used to compare RSC to modern-day RS. I see no issue with keeping this image.
*'''Image of person fishing''' - a typical skill in RS. Not sure which way to go on this one.
*'''Image of TzTok-Jad''' - I'm not sure how much this adds to the article. Jad is hardly a typical NPC.
*'''Image of random event''' - if a non-player looks at this, all they'll see is a character doing a star-jump. Players will know this is a random event, the general audience won't.

Personally, I would definitely lose the image of a random event, but that may not be enough. Does anyone else want to share their opinion? [[User:1ForTheMoney|1ForTheMoney]] ([[User talk:1ForTheMoney|talk]]) 14:59, 12 June 2010 (UTC)
:I agree with taking out the random event pic - it seems almost like cruft to me...[[User:Nolelover|Nolelover]] ([[User talk:Nolelover|talk]]) 15:23, 14 June 2010 (UTC)
::Not knowing anything about this game, I thought that the image of the random event was useful. I found the attempt to stop cheating interesting and I appreciated the image demonstrating what a player may look like doing one of these events. But if star-jumping is a regular part of the game, I can see how the image is no useful. The prose and caption may better describe what is going on, but it feels more meaningful than #3 or #4 because it shows a unique aspect of the game; fishing and NPCs are not uncommmon in video games. Although your point is taken about #2, right now it seems trivial; it could be more meaningful if the article explains the changes in gameplay from ''Classic'', but it just feels like a needless picture of a Beta version at the moment. —[[User:Ost316|Ost]] ([[User talk:Ost316|talk]]) 18:02, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

To be fair, I reverted the removal of some images today in the hopes of getting further discussion. So, to pick at the points:
#You could be right about #2, since RSC only constitutes a small portion of the article, and discussing gameplay changes would be trivia (although describing RSC as a beta is inaccurate, it was an actual game.)
#Fishing is certainly not uncommon, but it's difficult to think of a skill that is both unique and can be conveyed through an image. This may well be a candidate for removal.
#Number 4 is most certainly a candidate to be removed. Though not a good argument, consider that the image caption discusses "player fighting NPC", and an alert person would note that the player is actually just standing still and not interacting at all. In any case, it doesn't say a lot to me.
#Number 5 could be allowed to stay - most of the events are pretty unique. To be fair, without an image, the Random Events section would seem even shorter than it is now (there's not a huge amount to say on the subject, and the third paragraph doesn't seem necessary.) This one will probably remain. [[User:1ForTheMoney|1ForTheMoney]] ([[User talk:1ForTheMoney|talk]]) 18:47, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

===Closure===
First, my apologies - I had intended to close this some time ago, but I have no Internet access at home and won't do for some time, so I've thought about it some more.
*Although there's not much to indicate a consensus, the impression I get is that the image of Jad is not useful.
*Fishing is a common activity which could be summed up using the article on [[fishing]]. In any case, this makes having an image of a player fishing somewhat redundant.
To that end, unless someone argues otherwise, these images will be removed. Anyone who wants to offer a new opinion can revert be, but please explain why. [[User:1ForTheMoney|1ForTheMoney]] ([[User talk:1ForTheMoney|talk]]) 13:33, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

== Suggestions for article's improvement ==

The article is not organized at all, I'll make a list of suggestions that (I hope that) should be considered for its improvement:
*The article's sandbox is not fully filled, it lacks some details including its mode, rating, the media is not clear enough and the system requirements look too dull.
*The Gameplay section should be the first one, inside it, there should be info about Characters, Setting (inside Setting, Quests, Skills, Combat, PvP, Interaction, Economy, Events and I think Chat System should be put inside interaction hence player communication is a type of interaction), Subscription and Miscellaneous.
*There should be a section about Runescape's early and recent development and projection into the history (The development of DeviousMud, the actual Runescape classic release, the beta RS2 and its release and worldwide release, because the games has server spread across the globe, the release of RunescapeHD and future development. A sub section about audio environment within this would be great for article's sake.
*The article lacks reviews and reception by critics this is very important for the relevance and reliability of the article.
*The article lacks a section about problems, controversies and issues.
*The article used to have a section about its server, now it is gone, but it should be brought back with a cleanup.
*The novel needs a section within the article.
*The community section needs an overhaul.

The problem of writing a good article about games and online games is that inside wikipedia there are few article for reference, template and style, but there are (somewhat) well written articles, and runescape's one should follow they criteria. These include [[EverQuest]], [[Warhammer Online]] and [[World of Warcraft]].

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:Once sections are expanded, sub-articles should be created to keep and maintain the article clean. '''[[User:Eduemoni|<font color=#400000>E</font><font color=#590000>d</font><font color=#660000>u</font><font color=#800000>e</font><font color=#990000>m</font><font color=#bf0000>o</font><font color=e60000>n</font><font color=red>i</font>]]'''[[User Talk:Eduemoni|<sup>↑<font color=green>talk</font>↓</sup>]] 05:18, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

== New major fansite link. ==

http://belo.dk/ is a new fansite. Is it posible to add the link? [[User:Stras77|Stras77]] ([[User talk:Stras77|talk]]) 09:43, 16 September 2010 (UTC)
:No, [[WP:ELNO]] discourages "Links to blogs, personal web pages and most fansites, except those written by a recognized authority.", and [[WP:NONENGEL|English-language links are preferred]]. --[[User:McGeddon|McGeddon]] ([[User talk:McGeddon|talk]]) 10:03, 16 September 2010 (UTC)
::What McGeddon said. Only the top-ranked fansites can be linked (which says something since having lots of fansite links is discouraged anyway.) [[User:1ForTheMoney|1ForTheMoney]] ([[User talk:1ForTheMoney|talk]]) 07:18, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

== Edit request from Dredpk, 10 October 2010 ==

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[[User:Dredpk|Dredpk]] ([[User talk:Dredpk|talk]]) 18:12, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
:{{not done}}. Semi-protected articles can only be edited by "[[Wikipedia:User access levels#Autoconfirmed users|autoconfirmed accounts]]". If you want to request a change to the article, say so and someone will have a look for you. [[User:1ForTheMoney|1ForTheMoney]] ([[User talk:1ForTheMoney|talk]]) 19:03, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

== Betrayal at Falador ==

''Betrayal at Falador'', a novel based on RuneScape, was originally released as a limited-edition in 2008 and has now been mass-released as a paperback. Unfortunately, the last article on it [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/RuneScape: Betrayal at Falador|didn't make the grade]], but I've found some secondary sources and think it might have a chance. Before I recreate the article, I want to be sure it's good enough (or not).

I've created a subpage at [[User:1ForTheMoney/Betrayal at Falador]]. Please feel free to comment. [[User:1ForTheMoney|1ForTheMoney]] ([[User talk:1ForTheMoney|talk]]) 20:38, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
:It doesn't look to me like the sourcing is strong enough to stand up at this point. --[[User:SarekOfVulcan|SarekOfVulcan]] ([[User talk:SarekOfVulcan|talk]]) 20:44, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
::I didn't think it would be, but I haven't found any more secondary sources (reviews especially, as not all sources agree on the release date). Any pointers would be nice as I don't see this as a hopeless cause. [[User:1ForTheMoney|1ForTheMoney]] ([[User talk:1ForTheMoney|talk]]) 21:51, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

== Image diversity ==

Am I the only tired of looking at the exact same character in every screenshot on this page? Even the fanart picture is of this character. It's not even a typical looking character, which is what we should try to include in screenshots to show how the game normally looks. There used to be a screenshot of another character, but it was recently removed. --[[Special:Contributions/66.169.101.69|66.169.101.69]] ([[User talk:66.169.101.69|talk]]) 22:01, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
:Since most of our screenshots are done by one person, that's probably inevitable. We got rid of the fishing picture because it wasn't useful (then again, neither is that fanart. If [[User:Tarikochi]] sees this, I apologise, but I detect a hint of showing off.) [[User:1ForTheMoney|1ForTheMoney]] ([[User talk:1ForTheMoney|talk]]) 22:05, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
:: Remember, we can't have too many non-free images in the article that are similar in nature. [[User:OhanaUnited|<b><font color="#0000FF">OhanaUnited</font></b>]][[User talk:OhanaUnited|<b><font color="green"><sup>Talk page</sup></font></b>]] 02:36, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
:::The fan-art ''appears'' to be under a free license, but you're correct. I see 4 non-free images, including the logo. That might be too many. [[User:1ForTheMoney|1ForTheMoney]] ([[User talk:1ForTheMoney|talk]]) 09:48, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

== Crufty sections ==

Specifically the "Random events" and "Economy" sections. RE aren't even that big ''within'' the game, and I don't see why we should have more then a couple sentences in the article. Same with economy. Does that really need it's own section? I really don't think we'll ever get to GA with stuff like that in there. Furthermore, could we merge and shorten "Chat system" into "Community"? and then maybe rename that section (''Player interaction, Player community'', etc.)? [[User:Nolelover|'''<span style="color:FireBrick;">Nolelover'''</span>]][[User talk:Nolelover|'''<span style="color:Gold"><sup> It's football season!</sup>'''</span>]] 21:14, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

:Your points aren't the only thing keeping this article from GA, but here we go...
*Recently an editor removed a superfluous chunk of the section on Random Events, and I then took out another sentence. Kinda shows it's not that noteworthy - perhaps we can mention it under "Rules and cheating"? This might also mean we can remove that image of a random event, and thus have only 3 non-free images in the article (4 is kinda pushing it).
*If we look critically at the "Economy" section, much of the second paragraph doesn't seem necessary, or is that just me? Parts of the first paragraph (namely player-to-player trades) look like they could be merged into a section on player interaction. The chat system, also being a form of player interaction, can be cut down to fill out the rest of this new area.
*If a section on player interaction is made, does this mean we need to rename the "Reception" section already in the article to something like "NPC interaction", just to be disambiguous? I'm not sure.
:I'll post more points if the need arises. [[User:1ForTheMoney|1ForTheMoney]] ([[User talk:1ForTheMoney|talk]]) 22:24, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
::I definitely agree with 1. We lose cruft, and a non-free. We can keep the first paragraph of economy, or at least merge parts, like you said. I had thought about us having to rename the NPC section, but I wasn't going to bring that up until I knew whether or not we would do it in the first place. [[User:Nolelover|'''<span style="color:FireBrick;">Nolelover'''</span>]][[User talk:Nolelover|'''<span style="color:Gold"><sup> It's football season!</sup>'''</span>]] 02:40, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
:::A couple of points I hadn't noticed before. To properly distinguish player-NPC interaction from player-to-player interaction, the third paragraph of the "Interaction" section also needs to move, since that's about minigames and such. I'm also wondering whether it should be mentioned under "Rules and cheating" that players can be muted as a form of punishment (although this is really for a specific rule and could be left out without much bother.) [[User:1ForTheMoney|1ForTheMoney]] ([[User talk:1ForTheMoney|talk]]) 08:26, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
{{outdent}}
We ''could'' put the mini-games section under Quests....and I wouldn't feel bad about leaving out the muting point. Anyways, here's what we have so far:
#Random Events, and its associated picture, are totally removed, or briefly mentioned in Rules and Cheating.
#The second paragraph of Economy is removed, and the first is merged into a new Player Community/Interaction section. How about leaving the Community section as is and calling the new section In-Game Player Interaction, etc. That or we could separate Interaction into Player and NPC. This way Community would continue to discuss forums, fansites, Jagex, and other "out-game" stuff.
#Chat system is also shortened and merged into that section.
#Minigames > Quests?
#Muting players is removed.
Also:
#Second sentence on tombstones, in the Combat section, is removed.
#Last sentence of second paragraph in Combat section is removed. This seems redundant coming after the previous sentence.
Your thoughts? [[User:Nolelover|'''<span style="color:FireBrick;">Nolelover'''</span>]][[User talk:Nolelover|'''<span style="color:Gold"><sup> It's football season!</sup>'''</span>]] 15:11, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
:I keep thinking there's too much on combat, but I've never put my finger on why. As for a "player interaction" section, I produced a mock-up of what one might look like, having copied and pasted three relevant paragraphs. I would post it here, but I haven't figured out how. Or should I [[WP:BOLD|just go ahead]]? [[User:1ForTheMoney|1ForTheMoney]] ([[User talk:1ForTheMoney|talk]]) 19:29, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
::[[WP:BRD|We can always revert. Do it!]] :) [[User:Nolelover|'''<span style="color:FireBrick;">Nolelover'''</span>]][[User talk:Nolelover|'''<span style="color:Gold"><sup> It's football season!</sup>'''</span>]] 19:47, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

:::Alright, a section on player reception has been produced. It's been slotted between the "Community" and "Rules and cheating" sections for the moment, although since it's gameplay I'm gonna move it again.
*The "Economy" and "Chat system" sections have been made redundant, so they've been removed.
*The "Random events" section has been left for the moment, so we'll come to that.
*What was "Interaction" is now "NPC interaction". Could/should be changed to "Non-player interaction" to avoid an abbreviated title. [[User:1ForTheMoney|1ForTheMoney]] ([[User talk:1ForTheMoney|talk]]) 20:59, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
::Looks good. Now what about the RE section? [[User:Nolelover|'''<span style="color:FireBrick;">Nolelover'''</span>]][[User talk:Nolelover|'''<span style="color:Gold"><sup> It's football season!</sup>'''</span>]] 21:13, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
:::Certainly not worth keeping around, although I'm just wondering how to incorporate it into "Rules and cheating", since it's used as an anti-cheat measure. I'll get right on it. [[User:1ForTheMoney|1ForTheMoney]] ([[User talk:1ForTheMoney|talk]]) 21:19, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

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