Talk:Étude Op. 10, No. 12 (Chopin)

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The Chopin Etudes??[edit]

Is somebody trying to say that the first book of the Chopin etudes is the "Chopin Etudes"? What is the basis for this statement??? Modus Vivendi 21:23, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

Seems to be fixed (" The two sets of Études, Opus 10 and 25, are known collectively as the Chopin Études, "). z ε n  03:28, 20 February 2007 (UTC)


The footnotes appear twice each, but I can't see how to fix it - is this a bug in the software? Kisch 08:43, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Whatever it was, it appears to be fixed now. I see the footnotes once each. uigrad

Rewrite, references[edit]

  • This phrase doesn't sit right with me, and I don't know how to rewrite it effectively.

Konami featured this piece in its Bemani series of music games. 革命 (Kakumei), which means "revolution" in Japanese, is a remix of this étude by dj TAKA feat. NAOKI. It first appeared in Beatmania IIDX and then later in Dance Dance Revolution 7th Mix.

  • I see too many editorial remarks. If someone else can vouch for those "Notes" about the Hanon studies, then please replace them. For now, I have removed these superfulous comments.
  • The historical information is something we need more of, but there aren't any citations.

      Zen.  06:19, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Technique Section[edit]

The technique section of this article is confusing and sometimes incorrect (since I play the piece, I know that for a fact). For example, the left hand notes of the opening bars are not a descending harmonic minor scale, because that would be ab-g-f-eb-d-c-b etc., whilst it is actually more complicated: ab4-g4-f4-d4-eb4-d4-b3-g3-ab3-g3-f3-d3-eb3-d3-b2-g2-ab2-g2-f2-d2-eb2-d2-c1-g1-c1-g1-c1-g1-c1-g1-b1 (although it is correct to say that all of the notes are in the scale of C harmonic minor). For want of a way of improving the wording here, I have not done so, but could somebody please do so. --Svm2 19:58, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

moreover, the opening chords are not broken nor diminished. they are all inversions of the same dominant seventh: g-b-d-f.

Professor Layton[edit]

This piece is expanded upon for a tune in the "Professor Layton" soundtrack, somewhere in the sewers I think. This is easily deserving of the "Adaptations" section, except I can find no external source verifying the fact. Adding it in without that would constitute original research, right? So I'm screwed, right? :( Phyte (talk) 00:47, 11 August 2008 (UTC)


This article is a joke. It's full of dubious claims about the composer "pouring his emotions" into the music (how exactly would that work anyway?) that are little more than popcorn musicology, not serious scholarship. The technical descriptions of the music are sloppy and often just plain wrong, and sound like something written by a college freshman for a music appreciation course. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ArchytasLyre (talkcontribs) 09:27, 8 September 2012 (UTC)

Seems like the article can certainly be improved. I wouldn't call this article a joke, though, since there are a lot of evidence both from the music and research papers that there is a strong connection that the history has influenced Chopin. It probably just needs more content and/or citations.

Blueeighthnote (talk) 07:25, 23 August 2016 (UTC)