Talk:1962 Tour de France/GA1

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Reviewer: Sportsfan77777 (talk · contribs) 04:35, 30 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I'll review this one. Sportsfan77777 (talk) 04:35, 30 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Lead

After more than 30 years, the Tour was contested again by trade teams (add "instead of national teams").

Done

The second paragraph doesn't do a good job of summarizing the race. Instead of just listing who held the yellow jersey, it would be better to discuss the progress of the race's contenders (Anquetil, Van Looy, and Poulidor) and eventual top finishers (Anquetil, Planckaert, and Poulidor). It's confusing to mention someone like Darrigade holding the yellow jersey in the lead if he had no chance to win. In particular, you should definitely mention Van Looy crashing out.

Done Just holding the yellow is one of the best achievements a road cyclist can have. The race is all about who is leading the general classification if summarised. Added Van Looy. Bald Boris 00:42, 8 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Clarify that Tom Simpson was the first rider in history from outside mainland Europe to wear the yellow jersey. It sounds like it was just for this race.

Done

It might be worth mentioning the peculiarities of the route, in particular the four time trials.

Done

Were the time bonuses of a minute normal back then? If not, I would consider adding that to the lead as well.
- I don't feel time bonuses are lead-worthy even if one minute was unusual. Bald Boris 00:42, 8 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Teams

Of start list of 150 ===>>> Of the start list of 150

Done

The Legnano–Pirelli cyclists had the youngest average age while Margnat–Paloma–D'Alessandro cyclists had the oldest. <<<=== Can you add the ages?

Done

Pre-race favorites

At the Vuelta a España (one of the three Grand Tours, along with the Tour de France and the Giro d'Italia) which ended on 13 May,[40] he withdrew from the race before the final stage suffering from viral hepatitis;[41][42] his position in the general classification after the penultimate stage was 32nd.[43] His teammate Altig won the Vuelta and was ahead of his teammate and team leader Anquetil overall until he quit the race,[40][43] so observers expected some internal team struggle in the Tour.[42][44] <<<=== The grammar is a little off here (parallelism; repeating "teammate"; awkwardly starting a clause with "so"). These sentences could be condensed along the lines of: "Less than two months earlier, Anquetil had withdrawn from the Vuelta a España, the previous Grand Tour, before the final stage due to viral hepatitis. Although he was the team leader, he was 32nd in the general classification at the time of his withdrawal, while his teammate Altig won the race. Observers expected some internal team struggle in the Tour due to (the reason isn't articulated so well?)."

Done

add up to eight minutes (add "due to the one minute bonuses given to stage winners").

Done

and undermine his commercial value ===>>> and undermining his commercial value

Done

It might be worth adding that Planckaert was not considered a favourite, and going through his background since he ended up a contender.
- If he wasn't considered by anyone as then he shouldn't be listed. Obviously because of Van Looy's withdrawal he was given the leadership or of Flandria (Willy Schroeders out on stage 14). I could add that to the race overview if I can find a source. Bald Boris 00:42, 8 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Routes and stages

Add that the tour passed through Luxembourg

Done

including the Col de Restefond and Col de la Bonette passes, respectively, <<<=== Why is the word "respectively" here?

Done: I must have done it to explain the order in which they were passed. Removed. Bald Boris 00:42, 8 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Race overview

a 23-man breakaway group of riders escaped the peloton (main group) as it passed Luxembourg City with 145 km (90 mi) remaining. It stayed away <<<=== Shouldn't it be "they" when referring to the group?

Done

Mention that Anquetil was in the group, assuming he was?

Done: Changed to "Of all the pre-race favourites", as the three were the only ones missing out of the all the favourites listed. Bald Boris 00:42, 8 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

At the end of Stage 12, it might be worth catching up on where Anquetil, Planckaert, and Poulidor are in the standings.
- I'm not keen on mentioning where the final top three were in the middle of the story as to the reader they aren't yet involved yet. Possibly Anquetil and Poulidor as they're the top pre-favourites. Bald Boris 00:42, 8 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
the British rider became the first non-mainland European (add "in history") to wear the yellow jersey

Done

Can you add more about Stage 20, since that stage was so important? What was expected to happen? Was it expected that Anquetil would make up that much time on Planckaert?

Done

It was revealed later that Anquetil had ridden the race with tapeworm. <<<=== Should that have affected him?
- It's just a fact that I thought might be interesting. I don't know if any of the symptoms could have affected his performance. Not sure if it's needed? Bald Boris 00:42, 8 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Doping

Good.

Classification leadership

Good.

Final standings

Good.

Overall

At the end of end of sentences with multiple references, those references should be in numerical order.

Done

No dab links.
Well-sourced; no bare refs.
No plagiarism detected.
No dead links.

@BaldBoris: Overall, the article looks pretty solid. The biggest issues I brought up are to focus more on the podium finishers and favourites in the lead, and in the race overview section (particularly in the mountains). Placing on hold. Sportsfan77777 (talk) 01:16, 5 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Sportsfan77777: A very good job you've done there! I take it you saw the FAC? Will try again once we're finished here. I've sorted everything with some replies. Bald Boris 00:42, 8 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Sportsfan77777: Hi, just want to check that you haven't forgotten about this or if there any reason for the delay. I'm ready to get it sorted. Bald Boris 00:43, 14 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@BaldBoris: Sorry about the delay; I was distracted. I think it's worth adding the bit about Planckaert ending up in contention because he took over for Flandria once Van Looy went out; I didn't realize they were on the same team when I first read through it. But anyways, passing, and best of luck with the FAC! Sportsfan77777 (talk) 02:05, 14 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@BaldBoris: No worries, thanks for the swift reply. Will do. Once again, great job on the review and all the best with your GAs. Bald Boris 17:25, 14 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]