Talk:Agfa-Commando

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List of subcamps of Dachau

Please see my remark at Talk:List of subcamps of Dachau. Kattiel (talk) 14:25, 11 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Obstacles to B class

Jack, the article needs some specific citations to published sources, at least one per paragraph. Citing a conversation with your mother isn't sufficient unless that is published. And it looks like you've published some of this. There will be other ways of documenting this. What does Ernie Pyle have to say, for example? Orphan article: it would help if other articles (other than the list of Dachau sub camps) linked here. For example, go to the Ernie Pyle page and add a link there, with the proper citation. There are a lot of ways to link back to this article from other articles. Consistent nomenclature: AGFA- Kamerawerke would be appropriate. There is more, and I'll help you if you need it. auntieruth (talk) 17:02, 14 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Citations

Hi Jack, you cite your own book as a source in two different places. Surely there must be neutral sources for these facts? Kattiel (talk) 05:04, 20 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Trial

According to the Dutch version, Djerin was sentenced to four years imprisonment, not six. Which is correct, according to what source? Kattiel (talk) 06:54, 21 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

And what is the source of the statement that Stirnweis' sentence was abrogated? Kattiel (talk) 11:43, 23 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Dates of operation, number of prisoners

The dates 1933–1945 are the dates that Dachau was in operation. I seriously doubt if the Agfa-Commando was operational from 1933.

On September 13, 1944, five hundred Polish women arrived from Ravensbrück. Of them, 250 were exchanged for 193 Dutch women, ten women from other West-European countries and approx. fifty women from Eastern and Southeastern Europe (including the 21 Slovenian partisans). What is the reason for the statement "The Agfa-Commando included about five to six hundred prisoners in total"? Kattiel (talk) 14:20, 22 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

okay, I've clarified that,, and added some additional citations. That's all the info I have without doing some extensive research (and don't have time for that.) Let me know if you need anything else from me though. When Jack gets the rest of the citations put in, I'll come back and change the status. auntieruth (talk) 18:57, 22 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, and btw, the Winning Minds and Purple Hearts does not specifically lead to anything on this subject. auntieruth (talk) 19:37, 22 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

requirements for B class

The article still needs

citations on several of the uncited paragraphs.
The Winning Minds and Purple hearts link does not lead to anything specific about the subject, so that needs to be cleared up.
There is no problem with using such German sources as Ella Lingen's "Gefangene der Angst", even if the Dutch prisoners had a love-hate relationship with the author, because this is an encyclopedia article. We want to cover the subject from all sides. Coverage should be balanced and complete. auntieruth (talk) 18:29, 7 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Pictures of Agfa factory

Jack, according to the details of the first picture, the high-rise building was constructed in 1959 (erbaut 1959, Höhe 52 m, 14 Stockwerke, gesprengt am 17.02.2008). The second one must have been the building where the women worked (München — Abbruch der Agfa-Gevaert-Produktionsstätten in Giesing, 15 juni 2011). Kattiel (talk) 16:07, 29 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

See also: https://www.muenchen.de/rathaus/dms/Home/Stadtverwaltung/Kulturreferat/stadtteilkultur/KGPs/PDFs/17/kgp17/KGP17_booklet_auflage2_screen.pdf page 61 (Das 52 Meter hohe Agfa-Hochhaus entstand 1957–1960 nach Plänen von Georg Hellmuth Winkler und Claus Winkler an der Tegernseer Landstraße 161. Es wurde am 17. Februar 2008 gesprengt.) Kattiel (talk) 20:03, 29 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Kattiel, I deleted both pictures. You are correct that the 2008 implosion was of the in 1959 built high-rise.I read that the old factory was torn down right after the high rise was built. It was right behind it on the Spixstrasse. I also removed the 2008 image of the apartment house because, in my view, it takes a lot of imagination as a representation of the description we have of the Agfa Commando survivors. I have sent a request to Associated Press to use a photograph of Lt.Colonel Jay R. Vessels in the http://flashbak.com/winning-minds-and-purple-hearts-remembering-the-reporters-and-photographers-who-recorded-the-d-day-and-world-war-2-443/ website. Jack van Ommen (talk) 21:59, 6 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

OK, please let me know the source of the information about the demolition of the old factory. At Agfacommando in the Dutch Wikipedia I have added a paragraph about the closing of the factory which may be incorrect. Kattiel (talk) 15:38, 7 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Kattiel

I cannot find the reference anylonger where I thought that the old factory was torn down right after the high rise was built in 1959. I swear I read where the production moved into the high rise. Anyway the production of cameras was stopped in 1982 and it is possible that the old buildings were tore down in or around 2011 when they started to build the new apartments and office complexes. There is a decent picture of the complex taken in 1962 at: http://www.historisches-lexikon-bayerns.de/document/artikel_45872_bilder_value_4_agfa4.jpg with the old factory in the upper left corner, at the Spixstrasse.

Jack van Ommen (talk) 05:06, 10 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Jack, this information I combined from the following three documents:

Silke Fengler, Agfa AG, in: Historisches Lexikon Bayerns, versie 19.12.2011
Landeshauptstadt München (2015): KulturGeschichtsPfad Obergiesing-Fasangarten p. 61
Süddeutsche Zeitung, 24 april 2015: Ehrung für eine Aufrechte

I cannot find anything there about demolition of the old factory after the high-rise was built. Kattiel (talk) 09:28, 10 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]