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Category[edit]

Category:Fictional magicians is wildly inappropriate in this setting. The term magician, in this setting, is highly derogatory when applied to sorcerors. ("Magicians" are demon-summoners.) I realize that the category simply implies magic-users, but it gives the wrong impression in this case. Is there anything better we could use? [[User:Aranel|Aranel ("Sarah")]] 18:39, 25 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Perhaps create a new category?

Also: David Eddings has not written the books entirely on his own. According to the foreword on Belgarath: The Sorcerer Leigh Eddings, his wife, has contributed significantly to the creation of the series, and the foreword argues, that it's time to give credit where credit's due: The cover pages of Belgarath: The Sorcerer and Polgara: The Sorceress say David and Leigh Eddings. 01:11, 7 Jun 2006 (GMT +1)


Like his aunt and grandfather, Belgarion is an extremely powerful sorcerer and therefore has an extended lifespan, though he is not immortal like his relatives (being disciples of gods allows mortals to live for an indefinite amount of time).

Having read both series more than 10 times, I still can't remember where it is explicitly stated that Garion is not immortal. I just can remember that the weaker Grolim Priests are not immortal. -- Pkxl2

Since when is Garion "weaker". I was under the impression that he was almost, if not more, powerful than Belgareth. That would put him among the top three sorcerers in the world, who are all imortal.

---Garion isn't weaker. Her couldn't be. He was the child of light. And so was Poledra. I don't think Poledra was a sorceress was she? She was a child of light. Does that stays make you immortal? 3000 years away is a long time. --- — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.229.0.206 (talk) 09:27, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

Garion IS immortal[edit]

Senji proves me right. --A Bothan Spy 11:03, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

In all the places in the books where it was mentioned, where i can remember, the book actually implied that Belgarion was, infact, immortal. Like the conversation between Belgarion, Silk, Sadi, and Belgareth, about the advantages of immortality

Yeah it's fairly strongly implied that he is immortal. See Chapter 26 of The Seeress of Kell (Mallorean volume 2, pp. 471-472):

(Garion) "Geran isn't going to be an only child. My friend up here in my head warned me to expect large numbers of daughters."

(...)
(Silk) "You're not going to have all that many daughters, are you? What I'm get at is that women are only of childbearing age for just so long."
"Silk," Garion said pointedly, "do you remember Xbell, that Dryad we met down near the River of the Woods in southern Tolnedra?"
"The one who was so fond of men–all men?"
"That's the one. Would you say that she's still of childbearing age?"
"Oh, my yes."
"Xbell is over three hundred years old. Ce'Nedra's a Dryad too, you know."

"Well maybe you'll get too old to–" Silk broke off and looked at Belgarath. "Oh, dear," he said. "You have got a big of a problem, haven't you?"
Now, you could make arguments that he isn't going to be nearly immortal, or at least live that long (i.e., how would Geran succeed him to the throne if Garion doesn't abdicate; it would be quite cruel if Garion had to live on after Ce'Nedra died; etc.). But most of the evidence suggests he's immortal. –Pakman044 17:25, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
While Garion, as a sorcerer, seemingly has the same property as Belgareth that can give him longevity, none of them are technically immortal. I'd have to pinpoint the exact passage, but it was stated in the books that they all simply live as long as their patron Purpose requires. 24.249.102.33 (talk) 13:43, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

Orb of Aldur[edit]

There have been more than three people/beings being able to touch it without being destroyed. To my recollection, Belgarion, Eriond, Geran, Aldur, Torak (first time), Belgarath and Poledra have touched it without being destroyed. Comments? 81.228.195.119 10:54, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

I think it means currently. When Torak cracked the world, the Orb could only be touched by Riva Iron Grib and his line. Since the Gods have left the phyiscal plane and Torak was destroyed, the only people who can touch the Orb are Belgarion, his son Geran and Eriond since he is a total innocent.Wild ste 15:21, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
The part about the Orb letting only the lineage of Riva and those who are totally innocent isn't quite true. Belgarath casts scorn on the "total innocent" idea in Belgarath the Sorcerer (I don't have that book with me, so I can't cite the quote), although not everything he says in that book can be taken at face value. The Orb essentially lets whoever it wants to touch touch it. However, I don't think Poledra ever touched it (in Belgarath the Sorcerer, the Hall of the Rivan King guards mention that Poledra caused it to move to be attached to the shield, not that she actually touched it), and Belgarath only touched the shield when he was moving it back to Arendia (he didn't actually touch the Orb). On the flip side though, I do remember that Brand may have actually directly touched the Orb before the Battle of Vo Mimbre (either Belgarath or Polgara tells him not to do it as the Orb might affect his mind; the quote is either in Belgarath the Sorcerer or in Polgara the Sorceress, but I have neither book on hand). In general though, from the standpoint of the Belgariad/Malloreon, only Garion, Geran, and Eriond could touch it (and of course, the mentions of Torak cracking the world with it). –Pakman044 17:25, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
You're forgetting when Eriond touched Poledra/Belgarath with the orb so they didn't have to go away. 72.192.54.23 21:11, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
I don't have the books to hand at the moment so I can't look it up straight away, but I seem to recall that the orb can be handled by anyone as long as that person is the Child of Light (or of the Rivan line which formed a bond with it). I'll see if I can root out my copies of Belgarath the Sorcerer, Polgara the Sorceress and the Rivan Codex to back that up but if anyone can come across references confirming or denying that beforehand that could be useful. IgorsBrain (talk) 00:46, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

Image[edit]

Can we use this or is it breaking copyright since it looks like its been scanned out of a book.Wild ste 20:52, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

It's ok to use under Fair use, Non-free content. – Dreadstar 20:55, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Beldaren[edit]

Just a curiosity here folks, but do any of you find it odd that Beldaren has a "bel" in her name? I thought that all of the "sorceress's" got a "pol" for them. Just wondering what all you thought. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lepromancer (talkcontribs) 00:10, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

I did wonder about that myself for a while! I wonder if it has anything to do with the Pol prefix only applying to sorceresses, whereas Beldaran wasn't a sorceress but was still Belgarath's daughter (again, I don't have it to hand at this instant, but I think it mentions in Belgarath the Sorcerer or the Rivan Codex that the prefix 'Bel' means 'Beloved' or something along those lines. I'll look it up). IgorsBrain (talk) 00:49, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

Family Tree[edit]

Just thought I would point out that Polgara and Dunkirk did have twin children which need to be added to the tree (I have no idea how to do it so if someone could, that would be great).Wild ste (talk) 18:39, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

We don't no the names of the two children though.--Stephen C Wells (talk) 19:33, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

Another comment on the family tree- it shows Geran (Garion's father) as a descendant of Daran but not of the Rivan Kings- but isn't Geran descended from the line of the kings? 78.105.160.201 (talk) 15:16, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

And Adara isn't Silar's daughter —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.242.221.83 (talk) 02:48, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

Yet another comment on the family tree: Many of the here so-called "Rivan kings" weren't kings at all, since they were in hiding and were never crowned as kings. That box should have some other text in it. 213.112.70.168 (talk) 22:22, 5 February 2011 (UTC)