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The images labelled: Bentley Continental S1 and 1963 Bentley S3 Continental (rare left-hand drive), specifically:

are Not pictures of Bentley Continentals. Eddaido (talk) 23:39, 26 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

"Bentley Continental 1955 - standard body" is not the correct designation. These cars were coachbuilt. I suggest: "Bentley S1 Continental Fastback Coupe by H.J. Mulliner". --Chief tin cloud (talk) 09:02, 6 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
OK, I see what you mean, what I mean is that this was the normal body for the first Continentals and it was the only one for years, they began before the first S series cars and I think something like 28 were built on a modified R-type chassis - and I think the car in the photo is one of the 28 (still ascertaining) The designation S1 is only applied later to distinguish the first (2nd!) cars from S2 and S3, technically at the time no such thing as an S1 if you see what I mean. Then the next thing is the proper designation is Bentley Continental, the chassis S1, S2 etc comes after the name Bentley Continental. OK? And the Continental chassis are never the same as the standard steel S1/S2 etc chassis. The later 'normal' body variations came available much later. I guess I would define 'normal' bodies as being those not specially built to individual special designs by e.g. French coachbuilders. Eddaido (talk) 02:13, 25 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]


"Bentley Continental S1 drophead coupé by Park Ward 1955": I suggest Bentley S1 Continental drophead coupé by Park Ward 1955". Model name is S1; Continental is a sub-series. This is of importance to avoid confusion as there were later Continentals that bore a letter behind their name. --Chief tin cloud (talk) 09:02, 6 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry about this, you are wrong! The primary distinction lies in the name Bentley Continental, S3 or whatever follows and being a Continental it is not exactly an S3 under the skin anyway . . . Eddaido (talk) 02:13, 25 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
"Bentley Continental S2 Flying Spur by H J Mulliner 1962": See above. "Flying Spur" is the name of this specific design by HJM.--Chief tin cloud (talk) 09:02, 6 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed, so where is the problem? If it is just the inverted commas there should be none. Eddaido (talk) 02:13, 25 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Problem is irritation with R-Type Continental, Continental R, S-Type Continental, Continental S and so on. When it comes to the present Bentley Continental you are right, of course, but the Continentals that were based on R and S series were not models but sub-series. Bentley always re-used former model names. That also happened to the Brooklands, and Mulsanne designations, but it is quite irritating with the Continentals. Until now, Bentley used the name as follows:

  • R-Type Continental (no in-house body as standard R-Series; was coachbuilt by HJ Mulliner, Hermann Graber, Franay, and one by Pininfarina)
  • S1 Continental (no in-house body as standard S-Series; was coachbuilt, most by HJM and Park Ward)
  • S2 Continental (no in-house body as standard S-Series; was coachbuilt, most by HJM and Park Ward. There was even a long wheel base saloon by James Young. A HJM Flying Spur saloon was added.)
  • S3 Continental (no in-house body as standard S-Series; was coachbuilt. RR merged HJM and Park Ward to form Mulliner, Park Ward (MPW). The slab-sided Park Ward FHC and DHC design became the MPW canted headlight design. Together with the MPW Flying Spur Saloon it was available also on RR Silver Cloud III chassis)
  • Continental FHC and DHC based on T-Series; were designated Corniche from 171-1984, and Continental and Continental Turbo from 1984-1995. They were labelled MPW but had in-house bodies on standard T-Series. There were no coachbuilt Continentals but James Young did 15 T1 Two Door Saloons that looked much like Corniche Two Door Saloons.
  • Continentals based on Turbo R (series 1991-2003:
    • Continental R, Continental R Mulliner, Continental S
    • Continental T, Continental T Mulliner
    • Continental SC, Continental SC Mulliner
  • Actual Bentley Continental model range
    • Continental GT
    • Continental GT Speed
    • Continental Flying Spur (model designation for new 4 door model)
    • Continental Flying Spur Speed
    • Continental Flying Spur Series 51
    • Continental GTC
    • Continental GTC Speed
    • Continental Supersports

--Chief tin cloud (talk) 10:23, 1 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Hi CTC, thanks for coming back after such a long time. I'd better explain, I've no interest at all in the VW Bentleys and little interest in the cars built after 1965. That leaves just the R-type and S cars. I'm still not sure that I understand the problem but do you believe the correct description is, for example Bentley S2 Continental?
If you do perhaps you can show some factory literature that supports your opinion? Regards, Eddaido (talk) 11:11, 1 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I am living in the German speaking part of Switzerland, so English is a Foreign language for me. So, I presume that the part not clear is on my side. Let me try to explain what I mean with this example: The name Bentley Continental R would imply to completely different models. If you use this designation for the younger (which is factory correct) and the designation Bentley R-Type Continental for the classic car, you are on the right side in both cases. I can't proof that by factory literature (at least not for R-Typ, and S1-S3 but this is how the RR Enthusiast's Club of Switzerland distinguishes models. (http://www.rrec.ch/geschichte/alle-bentley-modelle.html; German). --Chief tin cloud (talk) 18:43, 1 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
This is, I feel certain, a RREC of many distinguished members. As evidence I point to the 4¼ and 3½ designations and the absence of the unfortunate foreign 4,25 and 3,5 designations occasionally seen elsewhere ;-)
But I must point out that while the intention of avoiding confusion between R-type and R (without-type is the distinction) S and S1, S2 etc (the number to make the difference) may seem rational it is completely unnecessary. I am sure your RREC has access to much factory documentation and with luck it will be online and you can link samples in it of your preferred nomenclature to this page to provide some evidence for your case.
Your English seems quite perfect to me. Regards, Eddaido (talk) 00:07, 2 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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