Talk:Clarkson Theatre Company

I'm slowly compiling CTC information, as club historian, and so it might take me a bit of time to get the whole page together. Anyone have anything, please put it on the talk page because you probably know how messy the office is! Whenwilllove (talk) 01:55, 22 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hello! In order for the subject matter to conform to WP:N, you need to include verifiable, third-party citations for notability confirmation. Cheers!--It's me...Sallicio!^{$\color {Red}\oplus$} 01:39, 22 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Sallicio! I'm working on adding those, most of my sources are PDFs of old (1920's-1960's) newspaper articles, but I added some other more recent relevant information to the page on my last edit until I can get together all of the citations for the old articles. Whenwilllove (talk) 01:55, 22 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Just a curious question...why would you place {{db-group}} on top of your own article, and then contest your own request for the deletion? Just wondering! Cheers!--It's me...Sallicio!^{$\color {Red}\oplus$} 02:03, 22 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I didn't put the db-group there...Sorry, I'm new to writing, I thought that just appeared there. I never marked it for anything. Should I just take both notices off? Whenwilllove (talk) 02:07, 22 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The CSD tag was there because you recreated the article from what it was before it was deleted previously (which had the tag). This wasn't really a proper handling of a CSD IMHO, so I've proposed deletion using {{prod}}. There is still no claim of notability under WP:ORG, nor are there any third party sources, see WP:RS and WP:V. The school newspaper is definitely NOT independent and cannot be used to establish notability. Cquan ^{(after the beep...)} 02:15, 22 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I added the sources I mentioned before, as well as some others. Please let me know if there is anything else I can do to help remove the page from the deletion list. Thanks! Whenwilllove (talk) 03:12, 22 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

In general, it seems that the sources indicate that this group is only of local notability. Per WP:ORG: "The source's audience must also be considered; evidence of attention by international or national, or at least regional, media is a strong indication of notability, whereas attention solely by local media is not an indication of notability." BTW, prod is different from speedy deletion or AfD. If you truly believe the article satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion (including notability), you may remove the prod template from the article (author's of articles may decline prods). However, given what I have seen, I will probably send this to AfD due to the local scope of notability. Cquan ^{(after the beep...)} 07:30, 22 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I know there are some articles about CTC in larger regional papers (Syracuse, Watertown), now I just have to find them online :P Not trying to point fingers or blame, but I based the format and reason for inclusion on the articles for the Clarkson Pep Band and WTSC-FM, do they follow the notability rules, because they don't have much more than I do for CTC. Whenwilllove (talk) 17:51, 22 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Just as a note, the existence of other articles that do not qualify for inclusion is not a reason for more...and now one is tagged for deletion. Cquan ^{(after the beep...)} 17:53, 22 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, that's not what I meant, more that I didn't know specific CUSA groups had pages until I saw their's, and it gave me the idea. I don't entirely understand, though, why Wikipedia has such specific standards for how publicized a subject has been. It is well known within the county and a lot of new york state, and has alums that work in professional theatre. And Wes Craven was one of the first advisors, and brought Nightmare on Elm street to him. The theatre is on that Elm street! Just because not much was written about it doesn't mean that it's not well known. Thanks, Whenwilllove (talk) 18:00, 22 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Unfortunately, information on Wikipedia has to be WP:verifiable through reliable sources. That generally means that there needs to be written material about it to make sure. Also, WP:ORG generally restricts articles on subjects with only limited, local notability...which this definitely seems to qualify under. These are just the rules on how we handle things on Wikipedia. The idea is for that things that should be in an encyclopedia, it really shouldn't be too hard to find at least some written material about it from others that aren't closely or merely locally related. Cquan ^{(after the beep...)} 18:05, 22 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

What qualifies as local vs. regional? I found one article I knew about but the other articles from the Watertown Times aren't online, I have to ask the historian or director at the time. But is that local or regional? It's a little confusing...

And if CTC would not qualify for its own entry, would it warrent its own section in the Clarkson University entry, IYHO? Thanks, Whenwilllove (talk) 18:42, 22 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah the local vs. regional is a bit vague, but it looks like that a newspaper article here and there from nearby towns doesn't really qualify...feel free to go ahead and merge the content to the Clarkson University article and redirect this page to that. I'm sure there's plenty of reason to mention it on that article given the Wes Craven connection to the university. Cquan ^{(after the beep...)} 19:23, 22 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Reading more about notability, I think I agree we don't necessarily deserve our own page. I guess... :P Is there a way to have any link or reference to "Clarkson Theatre Company" redirect to Clarkson University#Clubs? Just so it's easier to find? Thanks, Whenwilllove (talk) 02:59, 24 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]