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Reviewer: Disc Wheel (talk · contribs) 19:59, 10 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]


Will review shortly. Disc Wheel (T + C) 19:59, 10 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Lead:

  • Make it longer, you can elaborate more on the historical designs both non-heraldic and heraldic

Nonheraldic:

  • "Rigas's proposal was composed of a club" --> if I'm not mistaken when referring someone that's already been mentioned you'd use the last name here rather than Rigas. As well as no "s" after the apostrophe since it ends in s already
  • I'd suggest making these adjustments for the subsequent occurrences as well
  • "... and sacrifice respectively" --> comma before respectively
  • Was Feraios' design not formally accepted by the government?
  • "... was provided for by the Provisional Constitution..." maybe remove the "for," when reading it sounds off with that included I think
  • link cockade
  • "... cockade of white and blue.[5] White and blue ..." Instead of repeating white and blue again, say "The colors"

Heraldic:

  • "The Great Greek Encyclopedia explains in 1934" --> The 1934 edition of the Great Greek Encyclopedia explained
  • "glory respectively" --> add the comma again before respectively
  • "This particular emblem was criticised for being inappropriate and violating heraldic rules before being again replaced by the simple shield following the fall of Pangalos's dictatorship" --> What rules did it violate and how was it viewed to be inappropriate
  • The final two paragraphs are completely lacking sources

Good work and just some easy fixes. I made one adjustment myself Disc Wheel (T + C) 20:22, 10 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Disc Wheel – Thank you for starting the review!

  1. I made the lede longer, as suggested.
  2. Non-Heraldic
    1. Rigas is referred to by his last name as opposed to his first name. This is done in this article, as well as other articles that refer to him. It is very rare that anyone refers to him as "Feraios", and most people who do this are English speakers unfamiliar with the fact that he is commonly known as simply Rigas.
    2. I will remove the random 's after s throughout the article. Should just be s'.
    3. Rigas' design was unofficial, but it was the first proposal for such an emblem to represent a country called Greece. A Greek government would not exist until nearly 30 years after he died.
    4. I have changed was provided for by with was described in
    5. Cockade is linked the first time it is mentioned. Do you want it linked on all instances?
    6. Changed white and blue to These colours.
  3. Heraldic
    1. Changed to The 1934 edition of the Great Greek Encyclopedia explained
    2. Added comma after "respectively"
    3. I am just quoting the original source here. I imagine that it means the established rules and norms of European heraldry in addition to being overly complex and overburdened with symbolism.
    4. I will try and find some sources for the last two paragraphs over the weekend. Not sure who added the second-to-last paragraph about the Danish coat of arms, but if I cannot find sources for it I will remove it.
  4. I have also broken up the Heraldic section into smaller sections, because it read to me like a relentless wall of text.
Please let me know what you think of the edits and what else you think needs to be fixed. Thanks again for starting this review! --Michail (blah) 12:28, 16 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@Philly boy92: Looks good, just need those paragraphs sourced is all. Disc Wheel (T + C) 03:48, 19 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@Philly boy92: It's been over a week since you edited the article, just checking in. Disc Wheel (T + C) 21:13, 24 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@Disc Wheel: – sorry, the ping didn't get to me! I would probably remove the paragraph Following the return of the monarchy [...] horseback of Dithmarschen. With regards to the other paragraph in that section, what is it that needs citation? It's all pretty straight-forward and factual. --Michail (blah) 00:49, 28 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@Philly boy92: Well that is my only qualm with the article that remains. As the information seems, to my eyes (which know 0% on heraldry), to be potentially accurate. I would suggest adding references as that information is certainly relevant and shouldn't be left out of the article if true. Disc Wheel (T + C) 17:27, 1 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@Disc Wheel: Okay cool, I will try and do it this week. Sorry for taking a while. Things are a bit hectic at the moment with work and elections. --Michail (blah) 23:54, 10 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@Philly boy92: No worries, thanks for the update. Disc Wheel (T + C) 05:13, 11 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@Philly boy92: It's been close to a month since I last posted regarding article process and more than that for when the article was adjusted, if changes aren't made soon I will fail the article. Disc Wheel (T + C) 13:33, 2 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Failing due to prolonged inactivity and lack of fixing as per above. Given ample time. Disc Wheel (T + C) 01:37, 19 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Please make the appropriate changes as I outlined with referencing the added material that is quite relevant to the coat of arms' history, renominate and contact me to review it again as I'll gladly approve it then. Disc Wheel (T + C) 01:39, 19 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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