Talk:Criticism of communist party rule/Gibby
From NIKO's cited webpage:
- Rudolph J. Rummel, Death By Government
* "Democides" - Government inflicted deaths (1900-87)
o 169,198,000
o Including:
+ Communist Oppression: 110,286,000
+ Democratic democides: 2,028,000
* Not included among democides:
o Wars: 34,021,000
o Non-Democidal Famine (often including famines associated with war and communist mismanagement):
+ China (1900-87): 49,275,000
+ Russia: (1921-47): 5,833,000
* Total:
o 258,327,000 for all the categories listed here.
- Me (Matthew White, Historical Atlas of the Twentieth Century, 2001):
* Deaths by War and Oppression:
o Genocide and Tyranny:
+ 83,000,000
o Military Deaths in War:
+ 42,000,000
o Civilian Deaths in War:
+ 19,000,000
o Man-made Famine:
+ 44,000,000
o TOTAL:
+ 188,000,000
* FAQ: How did you get these totals?
* (Note: It's commonly said that more civilians than soldiers die in war, but you may notice that my numbers don't seem to agree with that. Before you jump to any conclusions, however, remember that most civilian deaths in war are intentional, and therefore fall into the "genocide and tyranny" category. Many others are the result of starvation.)
* My estimate for the Communist share of the century's unpleasantness:
o Genocide & Tyranny: 44M
+ (incl. intentional famine)
o Man-made Famine: 37M
+ (excl. intentional famine)
o Communist-inspired War (for example the Russian Civil War, Vietnam, Korea, etc.)
+ Military: 5M
+ Civilian: 6M
+ NOTE: With these numbers, I'm tallying every combat death and accidental civilian death in the war, without differentiating who died, who did it or who started it. According to whichever theory of Just War you are working from, the Communists may be entirely blameless, or entirely to blame, for these 11M dead.
o TOTAL: 92M deaths by Communism.
o RESIDUE: 96M deaths by non-Communism.
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