Talk:Deep Blue (chess computer)/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: Puddleglum2.0 (talk · contribs) 01:53, 17 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)
It is reasonably well written. a (prose, spelling, and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists): It is factually accurate and verifiable. a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR): d (copyvio and plagiarism): It is broad in its coverage. a (major aspects): b (focused): It follows the neutral point of view policy. Fair representation without bias: It is stable. No edit wars, etc.: It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate. a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
Overall: Pass/Fail:
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Discussion

Hi The4lines, hope you're doing well. I'd love to take on this review, but before I start and devote time to it I'd first like to ask a couple questions.

Are you actually interested in improving this article? I see you've never edited this article; usually nominators have improved the article significantly. It's not a mandatory requirement, so if you're actually interested, I'll still do this.
Have you asked the primary editors of this article (if there are any), if they are OK with this nomination. I'm asking this question per apparent consensus on the GA talk page.

If the answers to these are yes, we can continue, otherwise, you can just withdraw the nomination or I'll quick fail it. Thanks! -- puddleglum^2.0 01:53, 17 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Puddleglum2.0: Yes to the first question. Second question, there does not seem to be any main editors. Thanks, Signed,The4lines |||| ^{(You Asked?) (What I have Done.)} 02:15, 17 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@The4lines: cool, see below for lead improvements. I'd ask that you watchlist this page so that I don't have to ping you with each update. Thank you! -- puddleglum^2.0 17:05, 17 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Puddleglum2.0: Cool what does link to layman mean? Signed,The4lines |||| ^{(You Asked?) (What I have Done.)} 17:07, 17 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@The4lines: link to both chess game and chess match for someone who doesn't know much about chess so therefore will not understand the difference between a game and match, as both sound like the same thing. -- puddleglum^2.0 17:11, 17 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Puddleglum2.0: Done Signed,The4lines |||| ^{(You Asked?) (What I have Done.)} 17:24, 17 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Puddleglum2.0: Done, Signed,The4lines |||| ^{(You Asked?) (What I have Done.)} 17:37, 17 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@The4lines: There are a lot of grammar errors in this article - I don't know what I'm going to do, because it may take up to 20 days for the request to be given attention so I really don't want to put it on hold, but I also don't think that the prose is quite GA-worthy. Do you want to just give a quick skim and fix some grammar? If not, you could directly request a copyeditor to do this - I'm sure Tenryuu or some other editor would be willing to take it up. If you do directly request it, make sure to note it doesn't have to be super in-depth - just a quick fix-up. What do you think? -- puddleglum^2.0 00:48, 18 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Puddleglum2.0: Agreed, Signed,The4lines |||| ^{(You Asked?) (What I have Done.)} 01:30, 18 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Lead

what's the difference between a chess game and a chess match? Perhaps link to both for the layman.

Done

add a citation for the fact that IBM dismantled Deep Blue.

Done

comma after the new name at the end of the lead.

Done

In the image caption, how hard is it to tell if there are one or two racks? Its awfully unspecific, and feels like it should be easy to tell. If not, be consistent between one and two or 1 and 2, but not one or 2.

Done

suggest moving the development paragraph behind the paragraph that explains the victory; makes more sense chronologically.

Done

Origins

I can't make out the meaning of the first sentence; it will need to be rewritten to be clearer.

Done

change Deep Thought team to "the Deep Though developers".

Done

change autumn 1989 to "fall 1989}}"

Done

End sentence - One of its developers - do we know who?

Done

regardless of the outcome of this GAN, I'd request a copyedit at WP:GOCER; there are numerous grammatical errors.

Done

Deep Blue versus Kasparov

link the first mention of Kasparov in the section and remove all following links to him.

Done

link to normal time controls, I don't know what those are, so the average person probably also wouldn't.

Done

Deep blue was then heavily upgraded - "heavily upgraded" isn't encyclopaedic, suggest changing that. Also, maybe change to "After the match, Deep Blue was ---".

Done

pipe the game six link to say simply "game"

Done

maximum of 20 or even more its not a maximum if it could go more. Suggest changing.

Done

Cite where the citation needed tag says.

Done

Fix tense in the last paragraph to be consistent.

Done

Sentence before the last sentence - make it clear that it is an interpretation, as the next sentence says that Kasparov rejected the interpretation.

Done

Aftermath

the second paragraph sounds like it should be in the previous section, not quite sure it belongs in the Aftermath.

Done

fix the citation needed template.

Done

What's an RS6000/SP2? link to that.

Done

The section says that Deep Blue was the fastest computer to face a world champion - wasn't it the first one?

Done

Tenryuu's copyedit review

Hello The4lines. After completing my preliminary copyedit I always ask questions about the article to ensure that my edit reflects the intended meaning and is clear in doing so. Please reply to each point by indenting below each one like you would a conversation; items will be struck out once they have been answered. Please ping me with {{U}}, {{ping}}, or {{re}} as I have a lot of items on my watchlist. My copyediting process can be found here. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 16:00, 18 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Fewer questions than I would normally ask as Puddleglum's already gone through quite a few.

Links to chess game and chess match: I read about how those terms were recommended to be explained to readers unfamiliar with the subject, but both links lead to the same article and don't point to an appropriate section explaining the difference.

N don’t know what to do there

Development for Deep Blue began in 1985 with the ChipTest project [...] To confirm, this is one project that was renamed accordingly: ChipTest → Deep Thought → Deep Blue.

Y Yep

After graduating the university, Hsu, Thomas Anantharaman, and Murray Campbell were asked by IBM Research to continue their project to build a chess machine that could defeat the world champion. Is "world champion" a title only one person can hold at one time? If so, who was the "world champion" at the time IBM asked them to defeat the world champion? Kasparov?

Y

In 1995 "Deep Blue prototype" (actually Deep Thought II, renamed for PR reasons) [...] Any more details about the renaming? Using the word "actually" makes it sound like Deep Thought II was the official name of the machine.

Y

Adjectives for participants in World Computer Chess Championship: Is "computer program" necessary? The link to the championship and the individual links to each computer program appear sufficient to explain to readers that all the participants in the championship are computers.
Computer program details: What merit does mentioning the hardware the programs are running on have?

Y

Reports that Deep Blue was sold to United Airlines appear to originate from confusion between Deep Blue itself and other RS6000/SP2 systems. Proposed rewording: "Deep Blue was mistakenly reported to be sold to United Airlines as it was confused with otherRS6000/SP2 systems."

Y

Today, in computer-chess research and matches of world-class players against computers, the focus of play has often shifted to software chess programs, rather than using dedicated chess hardware. Emphasis added. Is using "often" necessary? Its inclusion makes it sound like the focus has switched back and forth between hardware and software.

Y Looking forward to your responses! —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 16:00, 18 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Tenryuu! -- puddleglum^2.0 18:51, 18 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

You're welcome, Puddleglum2.0! Ideally I'd like the rest of my questions answered, but I suppose that would fall into nomination review. The spelling and grammar should be all good now with the article as it is, so I'll consider my part in this done. Take care! —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 19:13, 18 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Puddleglum2.0 Tenryuu Done, Signed,The4lines |||| ^{(You Asked?) (What I have Done.)} 17:49, 19 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

pass

With all my issues adressed, I think this is ready. Nice job The4lines! -- puddleglum^2.0 17:15, 20 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Puddleglum2.0 Thanks, I'm waiting for it to get on DYK. Thanks again, Signed,The4lines |||| ^{(You Asked?) (What I have Done.)} 17:30, 20 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]