Talk:Doom Bar/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: Jezhotwells (talk) 19:01, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

I shall be reviewing this article against the Good Article criteria, following its nomination for Good Article status.

Disambiguations: found and fixed four.[1] Jezhotwells (talk) 19:04, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

Linkrot: found and fixed one.[2] Jezhotwells (talk) 19:08, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

Checking against GA criteria

GA review (see here for criteria)

1. It is reasonably well written.

   a (prose): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):

   There are a large number of stray single sentences, these need to be consolidated into paragraphs.

    Done I think. Both the Legend and Partial Removal sections have quite short paragraphs though... two sentences. Should I be consolidating further?

   The lead should summarise the entire article, as per WP:LEAD. Any material in the lead should also be in the artcile, which is not the case here. Done

   Her abandonment happened over the next few days. better to say something like "She was abandoned over the next few days. Done

   I made a few copy-edits

2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.

   a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):

   I have placed some citation needed tags where cites are needed.  Done

   ref #19 "Presentation to Brave Milford Fishermen", Haverfordwest & Milford Haven Telegraph, 28 February. I am a little puzzled as to why a presentation to Milford seamen would include commendations of Padstow lifeboatmen?  Done I should have been clearer, it was due to the Padstow crew refusing.

   But the citation comes from the Haverfordwest & Milford Haven Telegraph! Milford Haven is in West Wales, ove ninety miles away by sea. Can you post the full text of the citation here?

   Good point, I've just re-read it, and I've got it wrong. will write it out below.  Done Now done, they were on a passing Steam Liner.

3. It is broad in its coverage.

   a (major aspects): b (focused):

   This combined with the natural sea salt made the sand very valuable to farmers to mix into manure Why? Needs some explanation. Done Cornwall has acidic soil.

   We could also do with some explanation of how a bar forms. There may be some pointers at Sand bank#Harbour and river bars. Done I'm still not 100% Satisfied, and could probably improve that with a diagram.

   However, after a series of mishaps blamed on Cruel Coppinger, Needs some explanation of who Cruel Coppinger was. Just a mention such as "the legendary wrecker Cruel Coppinger".  Done

4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.

   Fair representation without bias:

5. It is stable.

   No edit wars, etc.:

6. It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.

   a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):

   Images check out, do we need two images of the bar at low tide? Done I guess not, I've taken one out

7. Overall:

   Pass/Fail:

   On hold for seven days for above issues to be addressed. Jezhotwells (talk) 19:39, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

   OK, I think the article now meets the GA criteria, and I am happy to award GA status. As you say, there is still some room for improvement. Jezhotwells (talk) 20:21, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

Full text of Milford Haven Article

Mr. T. G. Hancock presided at the weekly concert of the John Cory Sailors' Rest and during an interval in the proceedings said he had a pleasing duty to perform in the presentation to Mr. J. Horst, Mr. F. Reynolds and Mr. W. Cook, three members of the crew of the steam liner Chanticleer, who in November last volunteered to make up a life-boat crew that went to the rescue of a fisherman who was on the wreck of the "Angele", of Brest, on the Doom Bar, Padstow, and with great difficulty and danger saved the man's life. The act was all the more meritorious because the regular crew of the Padstow Lifeboat who had only just before been out to another wreck refused to make the second journey. The bravery of these three men had been recognised by the National Lifeboat Institution who at a meeting of the Committee of Management held in London in December adopted the following resolution:-

"That the best thanks of the Royal National Lifeboat Institution be presented to Mr. J. Horst, Mr. F. Reynolds and Mr. W. Cook, for gallantly coming forward as volunteers in the Padstow No. 1 Lifeboat, and assisting to save the master of the brigantine "Angele", of Brest, which was wrecked on the Doom Bar, Padstow, in a strong W.N.W. gale and very heavy sea on the 12th November 1912."

The Chairman asked the men mentioned to come forward to the platform, and Messrs Horst and Reynolds came to the front amidst loud cheers. Mr Cook, the Chairman said, was at sea, and he would have the pleasure of handing him his certificate again.

Dunbar?

Although it's only a secondary name here, perhaps it would be worth adding an other uses link here to Dunbar (disambiguation) or a link somewhere in the article to Dunbar. Incidentally, that name almost certainly has no connection with sandbars as it's in an area of rocky cliffs: see the suggested Brythonic source which looks likely. . . dave souza, talk 19:43, 24 March 2012 (UTC)

Surely the feature was called the Dun Bar because that describes very well what it is - a Dun (greyish-brown) Bar (bank of sand, silt. etc., across the mouth of a river or harbour, obstructing navigation). I've lifted the definitions from the SOED. Mahonj (talk) 07:40, 1 October 2012 (UTC)