Talk:Early camps

Untermyer's Address

I think it might be worthwhile to cover the reaction of international Jews to this period of NAZI incarceration inside this article. Most important might be the address of [Samuel Untermyer] on August 7th, 1933. [The New York Times] published it and has it on record https://www.nytimes.com/1933/08/07/archives/text-of-untermyers-address.html though I cannot access it. An open resource might be better to link to.

Was Samuel's speech a revelation to the American public or a rallying cry for Jews in particular? This is even before the Spanish Civil War, so how many other situations of internal strife even considered the mass incarceration of political prisoners? In any case, Samuel went on to form an organization focused on appealing to American Jews to boycott NAZI Germany's exported goods. I found it interesting that Samuel mentioned that Jews were being singled out for genocide by the NAZI regime so early, when I was unaware this was the intent for anyone in Germany at the time although it must have been at some level considering how quickly that changed during the war. I wonder if the Christmas release of prisoners was a PR move by the NAZIs. I am not a scholar on this topic and so cannot recommend good sources for these questions which would probably be good to discuss on the page.

Patron Vectras (talk) 20:50, 10 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Article name is ambiguous: change?

Camp can mean many things, see the associated disambiguation page for camp. It does not even list "detention camp", let alone "concentration camp", "internment camp", nor "Nazi death camp". I realize that this article, at one time, was named "Early Nazi camps". That wasn't the best name either, as it could be erroneously understood to mean Nazi youth summer camps, e.g. Landjahr Lager (Country Service Camp) of the early-to-mid 1930s, or even the somewhat later Hitler Youth defence training camps.

I propose a different name for this article, not "Early Nazi camps" but any of the following:

Late Weimar camps
Early Nazi detention camps
Early Axis camps
Early Nazi concentration camps

Probably not as accurate but conveys the subject, would be "Nazi proto-death camps". Any thoughts?-- FeralOink (talk) 14:02, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Definitely not "Late weimar camps" or "early axis camps" as both are blatantly inaccurate, while the other two names are not very commonly seen in sources. The usual common name in sources is "Early camps", so if there is another article called "Early camp" it should be disambiguated as "Early camps (Nazi Germany)". As far as I'm aware, Landjahr Lager (Country Service Camp) of the early-to-mid 1930s, or even the somewhat later Hitler Youth defence training camps. are not called "early camps" in sources, so their existence is irrelevant. (t · c) buidhe 17:23, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]