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Delete or merge[edit]

I suggest this be deleted, similarly with Cissexual assumption. Both are not notable beyond their reference in the author's works and should be, at best, included in her own Wikipedia page. Berym (talk) 15:22, 26 August 2013 (UTC)

The topic of this article – prejudice against (or stigmatisation of) effeminacy in men, or more generally individuals perceived as male – is eminently notable. It's been treated prominently in academic literature, and in daily life effeminacy is the knee-jerk pejorative of choice for unimaginative people, whether it's individuals, groups, artifacts or cultural products which they wish to bad-mouth; witness the all-purpose insult "gay".
The real problem is that there is no standard term for this prejudice, and a proliferation of alternatives: "effeminiphobia", "effemiphobic", "femmephobia", "femiphobia", "sissyphobia", and last but not least "effemimania". My preferred option would be to make this article into a general treatment of the topic, under a descriptive title such as "Anti-effeminacy prejudice", and list under it all the various proposed terms for it together with their originators and sources with dates (including the 1974 attestation for "sissyphobia"), while there is also the option to turn this article to a redirect to a section in Effeminacy specifically devoted to the prejudice (which does not exist yet, but could easily be created). Any takers? --Florian Blaschke (talk) 15:11, 2 February 2016 (UTC)
As an aside, Serano is completely right, to my mind at least: it's not only a prejudice, or hatred of effeminacy, it's an outright obsession (so much that even women are starting to be affected by it) that is responsible, or at least strongly implicated in, countless cases of mental illness and suicide.
To expound: While masculinity in women is increasingly accepted and even admired to some extent, rendering the originally rather negative term "tomboy" increasingly obsolete and quaint, as some measure of "tomboyhood" in women (such as athleticity) is starting to be perceived as normal or even positive (and possibly even coming to be seen as normative and de rigueur), femininity in men is so reviled that there is not a single term for feminine men that is not basically a slur. (This development appears to be a side-effect of conventional feminist campaigning which is not exactly a net positive: it's great for women with more "masculine" tendencies, but considering that masculine and feminine tendencies are probably more or less evenly split in humans regardless of assigned gender or gender identity, it is starting to look like we are going to trade the discrimination of one half of humanity – women, or female-assigned individuals – for the discrimination of a different half – individuals with feminine-leaning personalities –, a more subtle form of misogyny that can hardly be called progress.) --Florian Blaschke (talk) 15:11, 2 February 2016 (UTC)
"Any takers?" is what you asked. Not for a more general article. Effeminacy is the more general article, and "effemimania" should be a subsection of the topic there. See WP:No page. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 22:03, 2 February 2016 (UTC)
As you know, the topic of effemimania is mentioned in the Gay men section of the Effeminacy article. Similar terms are noted there. Alternative terms usually do not need their own Wikipedia article, which is also clear by the WP:Alternative term policy. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 22:11, 2 February 2016 (UTC)
Agree that any non-duplicated content should be merged into Effeminacy, and the article deleted. To keep an article under this name, would require showing notability, and clearly this is a WP:NEOLOGISM with scant usage. Even if it passed that bar, which it hasn't, how it would distinguish itself via WP:PRECISION from existing sections in other articles is questionable. Most current references are to the song, or to glossaries, dicitonaries, or lists of terms mentioning Serano's coinage.
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