Talk:Escape Nightclub/Archive 1

Archive 1

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The article creator and essentially the sole contributor reinstated contents that I believed to be trivial, because it fails to assert the significance of it/them/her/him to the venue. It's also the same editor that removed my addition from one of the page he authored. Graywalls (talk) 14:20, 11 April 2019 (UTC)

Graywalls, I think the detail is worth keeping. Several sources confirm, as does Jinkx's Wikipedia article. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 14:22, 11 April 2019 (UTC)

Which source specifically corroborates your claim that subject Jinkx is of high significance in the Escape article? Would you name the source and the quotation from it if it's not deadly obviously within it? Graywalls (talk) 14:29, 11 April 2019 (UTC)

Jinkx is a notable performer, and the club is also notable. It makes complete sense that since Jinkx first performed here it would be mentioned, as that's what started their career. --Kbabej (talk) 15:05, 11 April 2019 (UTC)

@Kbabej: Pinging you as a fellow WP RPDR member. What do you think? ---Another Believer _(Talk) 14:32, 11 April 2019 (UTC)

A request for a 3O has been made for an uninvolved party input rather than a cherry picked solicitation. Note that request was filed prior to the selectively solicited party responded. Graywalls (talk) 15:06, 11 April 2019 (UTC)

The 3O page specifically says, "Before making a request here, be sure that the issue has been thoroughly discussed on the article talk page. 3O is only for assistance in resolving disagreements that have come to a standstill. If no agreement can be reached on the talk page and only two editors are involved, follow the directions below to list the dispute." I don't think your request is necessary, but sure. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 15:25, 11 April 2019 (UTC)

You were open to the idea of another set of eyes. I'm not open to set of eyes that YOU selected. There are only two editors involved, you and me. The request was submitted prior to the third participant you recruited by name commented. Graywalls (talk) 15:59, 11 April 2019 (UTC)

Graywalls, Fine, I don't know how many times I have to tell you I'm open to you seeking outside opinions. I will say, I don't think "the issue has been thoroughly discussed", but if 3O folks want to weigh in, by all means! I pinged Kbabej as a member of WP RuPaul's Drag Race. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 16:03, 11 April 2019 (UTC)

I had a positive experience with the system. The major benefit is the ability to prevent either side from shopping for specific candidate or candidates from a specific pool of projects with they're familiar with. With the nature of dissent between you and I, I believe it is conducive to refer things to 3O rather than have it go for comment to the subject specific forum or commentator at your election. Graywalls (talk) 16:10, 11 April 2019 (UTC)

3O Response: I see no reason to exclude a statement about a notable person (especially with an article available for linking) that used the subject to enhance their career in a significant way. There are far, far more trivial things on millions of articles that are probably irrelevant, which I don't think this statement is. This club is also closed and there's a limited amount of information for content, so this seems like a great tidbit. Notability doesn't apply to article content (WP:NOTEWORTHY) and one sentence isn't placing undue weight, especially when that one sentence has multiple reliable sources it can be attributed to. If you feel like perusing random featured articles, Graywalls, you'll find well-covered subjects often have an insane amount of detail. During my failed FA nomination I was encouraged to add things I thought were extremely irrelevant, but in fact helped tell the whole story. Maybe there's a reliable source that discusses/demonstrates Escape supporting local artists/amateur drag performers in general, which could be connected to the statement in question.

However, the sentence is inaccurate as it is written with "performed for the first time". The 2012 reference quotes "My Drag career most definitely began at SMYRC." … "Soon I was performing at SMYRC, The Escape (The all ages gay night club) and …" and the Elle and Portland Monthly refs quote, respectively & with added emphasis, "I think my first legitimate [drag] show was at the Escape" and "The very first time I performed in drag on a large scale was at the Escape". The link to the first ref also doesn't seem to work?

FWIW, I don't think that WP RPDR or any WP or interest in drag at all is related to this content disagreement, as clearly someone with an interest in the topic would rather see said topic included in any article. I only see WikiProjects being relevant if it's more of a technical content disagreement, e.g. someone's offended for some reason by "drag performer" and the WP says it's standard. Rhinopias (talk) 00:06, 12 April 2019 (UTC)

I've updated the sentence to include Jinkx's quote about performing there so there isn't confusion about whether it was their first time or not. --Kbabej (talk) 00:11, 12 April 2019 (UTC)

@Rhinopias: That was a very well articulated response. It's always great to have valuable input from involved editors. Thank you for volunteering to comment. I fixed the dead-link you mentioned if you were curious about what it had to offer. It's a back and forth interview between the magazine staff and the "drag queen". Graywalls (talk) 09:19, 12 April 2019 (UTC)

Note: Archiving per interaction ban. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 16:00, 5 May 2019 (UTC)

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