Talk:False Creek Ferries
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Settler42 22:28, 18 January 2007 (UTC) First time adding an article, hope I haven't broke any guidelines!
Is it necessary to have the conflict of interest tag still. There seem to be enough contributions from other members than that one "False Creek Ferry" user that had made several edits and additions. --Igwwgi (talk) 01:55, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
- Considering the edit history and the banning of an editorial account followed by the creation of a new editor account with a warning on the new account for COI it does seem appropriate to me. ConcernedVancouverite (talk) 03:00, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
- In light of your latest edit here: [1] where you state "I do know the owner" it appears that you do in fact have a potential COI and since you are the major recent contributor to the article that the COI tag is most certainly appropriate. ConcernedVancouverite (talk) 03:13, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
- By emailing the company to request use of a Map picture for a wiki page is not a conflict of interest. --Igwwgi (talk) 06:26, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
- In light of your latest edit here: [1] where you state "I do know the owner" it appears that you do in fact have a potential COI and since you are the major recent contributor to the article that the COI tag is most certainly appropriate. ConcernedVancouverite (talk) 03:13, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
References & COI
[edit]After reading the new additions to the articles by Concerned Vancouverite and Kahloke, it seems that the References tag is no longer required. I would like to suggest it's removal. Additionally the conflict of interest tag should also be removed as the references are from reputable sources that are not related to the company. --Igwwgi (talk) 02:25, 1 October 2009 (UTC)
- There are still several "Citation needed" tags that need to be addressed before removing that notice. Additionally the COI tag will still be valid because at least one, if not two, major contributor(s) to the article has a potential conflict of interest. ConcernedVancouverite (talk) 02:32, 1 October 2009 (UTC)
- I would like to contest the COI tag. It was placed in response to my edits by ConcernedVancouverite. I contest that with the addition of several sources and citations as well as major edits from others including ConcernedVancouverite, that the articles COI has been neutralized. --Igwwgi (talk) 17:33, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
Service Interruptions
[edit]The service interruption section should be removed as it is not a message board that can easily be changed to reflect actual service interruptions. Also seeing as wikipedia cannot reference the company's own site it is not realistic to be able to give valid service interruptions. Furthermore, False Creek Ferries has never serviced David Lam Park, when the dock was initially in place it was only an Aquabus dock. Once it opens on January 25th 2010 as the False Creek Ferries homepage says, it will be for both companies. --Igwwgi (talk) 03:05, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
- It certainly shouldn't say there is a valid operated stop until there is though. So for now, it should either say no service or not be listed at all. As I recall someone added that stop to the list of valid service with earlier opening dates in November, etc. which never materialized. Wikipedia is not a place to announce future openings unless there are reliable sources that confirm those. ConcernedVancouverite (talk) 15:06, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
- I agree with the fact that that is a premature addition. I checked their official website and it says january 18th is the day it opens. Also, on inspecting the area, there is a newly constructed dock. I'm not sure how it should be processed, the adding of this stop, officially on the wiki page. --Igwwgi (talk) 07:41, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
- The way it should be handled is to find third party reliable sources that mention its opening, and that False Creek Ferries will be servicing the dock. Anything you discover on your own by inspecting the area is original research, which is not appropriate to include on wikipedia. In terms of it being listed on their webpage, you made the same argument last October in this diff ([2]) saying it would be open in November 2009. Perhaps you can see from that experience why we rely on reliable sources only? I know that you have stated that you "know the owner" [3] which also suggests a potential conflict of interest, which suggests you should be very cautious about making any edits to the article at all - particularly ones that violate Wikipedia policies. ConcernedVancouverite (talk) 17:00, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
- Primary sources are not inherently unreliable. If the ferry line is advising passengers that service will be disrupted during the Olympics, I can support leaving that in until the Olympics are over. However, with regard to the new stop opening, if the primary source has been too optimistic in the opening date before, then I agree that we should wait until a secondary source talks about the opening. —C.Fred (talk) 17:05, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
- The service disruption listed in the article cites a reliable source, the Vancouver Sun. Article cited here: [4] ConcernedVancouverite (talk) 16:10, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
- Primary sources are not inherently unreliable. If the ferry line is advising passengers that service will be disrupted during the Olympics, I can support leaving that in until the Olympics are over. However, with regard to the new stop opening, if the primary source has been too optimistic in the opening date before, then I agree that we should wait until a secondary source talks about the opening. —C.Fred (talk) 17:05, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
- The way it should be handled is to find third party reliable sources that mention its opening, and that False Creek Ferries will be servicing the dock. Anything you discover on your own by inspecting the area is original research, which is not appropriate to include on wikipedia. In terms of it being listed on their webpage, you made the same argument last October in this diff ([2]) saying it would be open in November 2009. Perhaps you can see from that experience why we rely on reliable sources only? I know that you have stated that you "know the owner" [3] which also suggests a potential conflict of interest, which suggests you should be very cautious about making any edits to the article at all - particularly ones that violate Wikipedia policies. ConcernedVancouverite (talk) 17:00, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
- I agree with the fact that that is a premature addition. I checked their official website and it says january 18th is the day it opens. Also, on inspecting the area, there is a newly constructed dock. I'm not sure how it should be processed, the adding of this stop, officially on the wiki page. --Igwwgi (talk) 07:41, 15 January 2010 (UTC)