Talk:Fender Musical Instruments Corporation
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- 1 product list
- 2 CBS era statement
- 3 Gibson-Fender Rivalry
- 4 Missing statements to Fender amps
- 5 Picture
- 6 Auto Fender
- 7 Early History?
- 8 Simple Tube Circuits/Public Domain/Western Electric
- 9 JV/'Japanese Vintage'
- 10 Acoustic guitars
- 11 acoustics
- 12 Merge Fender Amplifier History with Fender
- 13 Amplifiers
- 14 Fender Heartfield
- 15 Fender Makes Shoes
- 16 Merge Some Names
- 17 Cyber-Twin article?
- 18 Where's the Champ?
- 19 product list
- 20 Fair use rationale for Image:Fender.png
- 21 Current
- 22 Bass section
- 23 Redirect?
- 24 WikiProject class rating
- 25 Seprate Amplifier Article?
- 26 Infobox
- 27 Major Issues
- 28 the three-bolt neck fixing was NOT a CBS development....
- 29 the Amplifiers section needs work
- 30 Associated artists
I think the product list should have it's own page. Does anyone agree? Izzy007 22:50, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
I'm thinking about a page dedicated to the Fender-Gibson rivalry. It'll have stuff on solid-body vs. hollow-body, basses, amps, and that kind of thing. Does it sound useful, and what should I call it if so?Deltabeignet 01:09, 26 Feb 2005 (UTC)
CBS era statement
I'm deleting the following quote:
- However, the Fender instruments made in 1966-1979 under CBS are of ahigh quality, and tend to be much better built instruments than the latest Fender products. 
This is nearly an exact opposite of both common and professional opinion. See any industry specialist, see the current issue of Vintage Guitar, etc. The overwhelming perception is that quality control started to go down when CBS took over, but did not immediately go from great to mediocre. The period more or less from 1973-1984 was considered the low point, and guitars from both before that era and mid 1980s to present are considered better than the 1970s guitars. I'm not speaking as a professional, but as an industry hobbyist very familiar with about 10,000 guitar products. 18.104.22.168 18:00, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
I'm not sure a rivalry page would be that useful, but certainly a page covering electric guitar maintenance that incorporated issues like single-coil vs humbucker, solid-body vs semi-solid-body characteristics etc could be very useful.
Missing statements to Fender amps
I think some Informations on Fenders amps would shurely be nice on this page. It's not only the guitars Fender is famous for. --de:User:Wickler 11:22, 19 August 2005 (UTC)
Agreed. The Fender Amplifier History page has lots of good information but needs a more encyclopedic rewrite. It's puzzling that amplifiers such as the Champ, Twin Reverb, Deluxe etc don't have their own pages. Tremspeed 22:18, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
Ofcourse the P-bass is a Fender-icon, but to me, a picture of a Stratocaster or a Telecaster would make more sense, since those electric guitars are the core of Fender's business and those are what the brand is most known for.
I agree with the amp-remark above. - FB
The Strat is the definitive icon, for sure, and is still usually the generic shape depicted in dictionary/encyclopaedia/manual entries re the electric guitar. The P-Bass used to be the definitive bass icon when electric solid-body basses were all generically referred to as Fender Basses, irrespective of brand. -NK
- what about a picture of an Esquire, I really miss that one —Preceding unsigned comment added by 22.214.171.124 (talk) 10:32, 28 February 2010 (UTC)
Guitars are great, but I think fender for automobiles must also have an article in here. I mean, a separate one. Cause it's odd that the site features lots of info about cars and car parts but one for fenders doesn't exist. -mech
- No. Car fenders are completely irrelevant and should not be in the article about the Fender company. Rather, it is Wikipedia practice to start a whole new article on automobile fenders. Oh, and they did, at Fender_(automobile). Ariedartin JECJY Talk 09:15, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
Why is the early history section included with the entry on the Telecaster? This doesn't make sense. I've come here to learn about Fender and to send me to another entry to find that information doesn't make sense. GaTech-1101 06:14, 30 November 2005 (UTC)
Simple Tube Circuits/Public Domain/Western Electric
The "simple" :-) Western Electric circuits mentioned in the article were not "released to the public". These designs were carefully licensed by W/E until the expiration of their patents. Western Electric as well as RCA scrupulously pursued infringements on said patents during the era. Many early Fender amps explicitly carry the "Licensed by Western Electric" nomenclature on the chassis. — Preceding unsigned comment added by CoolBlueGlow (talk • contribs) 13:40, 16 August 2011 (UTC)
I think "well-regarded" is a bit of an understatement, the JV's are as good as the pre-CBS guitars and basses. They used USA hardware and incrediable quality wood. A Squier JV is better than any modern Fender Custom Shop by far. http://www.squierjv.info/jvstratocaster.htm for more information
- "A Squier JV is better than any modern Fender Custom Shop by far."
- Everyone's entitled to his/her opinion, but I think few would agree. For starters the Custom Shop uses far superior woods. Many JV's had basswood bodies. JV hardware, such as the pickups, while mainly American, weren't up to current standards. And those JV's produced for the Japanese domestic market were a real mixed bag. -NK
Current article reads In recent years, Fender Musical Instruments Corporation has branched out into making and selling acoustic guitars - Huh? In the 1970s I was playing in a band whose lead guitarist had a Fender for his acoustic guitar, a country-western style model. I don't know where it was made, possibly a cynical rebrand by CBS. So maybe they've only just started making acoustics, but Fender has been selling them for at least that long. Did the acoustics perhaps vanish from the catalog for a while? I'm even a bit skeptical even of this, they seemed to sell well in Australia, although I never figured out why, those I played over the years all seemed terrible value for the money to me, with mediocre actions and weak tone, unlike the superb Telecaster I played for a while in that band on which you really did get there faster.
Anyway, there's more to the story of Fender acoustic guitars than the article currently indicates. Andrewa 17:40, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
fender have made acoustics since late 1963. http://www.provide.net/~cfh/fender3.html#concert all the info is right here.
Merge Fender Amplifier History with Fender
You can discuss this proposed merger here.
Both articles contain errors, and correcting long articles is a pain is the you know what. The main Fender entry is already long enough, IMO, and I think it would be better argued to break this up into more manageable chunks than further consolidation. Hyper-linking makes the modular approach the sensible option. Modern human beings also want their information in small, manageable chunks. Hierarchical modularisation that enables one to drill down to the specific information one wants is the key to good contemporary information design. -NK
- Oppose - Fender Amplifier History is of course too informal and contains a lot of information already present in Fender, but they should not be merged. Fender Amplifier History focuses on the history of Fender amplifiers. The content in Fender Amplifier History should be added to Fender, but both articles are too distinct to be merged. Rather, it is better to create another page called Fender Amplifiers and merge Fender Amplifier History there. Ariedartin JECJY Talk 09:09, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
Why do we have a full listing of guitars but not even a heading for amps? I don't know shit about fender amps so I can't add the info myself, but someone should...
There is a great resource for Fender Amps at the Fender Amplifier Field Guide: http://www.ampwares.com/ffg/
Should this guitar be adde to the list of Fender guitars? Drogo 19:04, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
- Not unless you have information on it, of course. Ariedartin JECJY Talk 09:13, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
Fender Makes Shoes
Fender oddly enough also makes shoes in addition to guitars. we should add this somewhere
- They make shirts and other miscellenous items too, but these are all boutique items and used for taking full advantage of the brand name. It's nothing odd, but I agree it should be added. Ariedartin JECJY Talk 09:12, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
Merge Some Names
One thing i don't like about the list of guitars section is how the broadcaster and tele are listed under the same name. they're the same guitar! theres others thing that need to be changed in the list too.
Well, to jumpstart the articles on individual Fender amplifiers, I think we could definitely start with their flagship amplifier, the Cyber-Twin. It is probably one of the most well-known combo amplifiers, and it also has a lot of content to write on. Think about it. Ariedartin JECJY Talk 14:22, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
Where's the Champ?
How come there is no allusion to the champ/champ 12, etc. under the amps list?SHatch 23:36, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
Since its talked about in the article, I think I'm going to add it to the list if there's no objections SHatch 04:32, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
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the sentence that begins
In recent years, Fender Musical Instruments Corporation has branched out into making and selling electric guitars,
can't be right. In recent years the compny branched out to make guitars? RUReady2Testify 00:57, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
I have corrected the sentence to: In recent years, Fender Musical Instruments Corporation has branched out into making and selling steel-string acoustic guitars, Izzy007 23:55, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
I created the electric bass gallery. I think there should be a bass section. Shikyo3 01:57, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
I misread the history. I thought somebody had deleted it. Oops. Shikyo3 01:58, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
It seems to me like "fender" should redirect to the disambig page, not to here. The number of people looking for automotive fenders can't be insignificant. ASWilson 21:05, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
WikiProject class rating
This article was automatically assessed because at least one WikiProject had rated the article as start, and the rating on other projects was brought up to start class. BetacommandBot 16:36, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
Seprate Amplifier Article?
This article can be improved in many ways. The history given is sporadic and lacks reputable source material, which is the major killer. Simply going to the Fender website itself for a better take on the company's history would have helped this article stand better ground. It also needs to be mentioned that since 1991 the corporate headquarters moved from its Corona location to Scottsdale, Arizona. Currently, this is where "administration, marketing, advertising, sales and export operations" take place, not only for the United States operations, but many other countries as well. 
the three-bolt neck fixing was NOT a CBS development....
... & neither did it contribute meaningfully to the apocryphal "poor quality" of the CBS-era instruments.
the problem with the CBS-era instruments was a much larger one of quality control & materials, & cannot be reduced to "they weren't as good"; many of these instruments are perfectly fine, but you may have to search harder for them because fender's quality control wasn't at its best after the 1965 transition.
but I digress. the three-bolt neck. have a look at this:
the Amplifiers section needs work
Most obviously, this section seems to suggest that Fender stopped making amplifers in 1968.
While creating even an exhaustive list of amp models might be a thankless chore (considering how many short-lived and beginner-grade boxes they've made over the years), certainly it wouldn't be out of reach to list the major series, as catalogued by Blue Book.
One glaring oversight is lack of mention of acquiring Sunn Musical Equipment in 1985, relocating the factory from Tualatin to Lake Oswego (both in Oregon). Though FMIC shuttered the factory (and ended the Sunn line in 2002), there were a few Fender-branded solid-state amps built there; I'm aware of the Princeton Chorus, Ultimate Chorus and Ultra Chorus (the latter two may have been the same amp rebranded), and may include the Power Chorus. Early versions featured the red knobs that at the time had displeased amp fans; these amps are now hawked as "collectible" or even "rare" for no good reason.
Weeb Dingle (talk) 03:55, 12 March 2017 (UTC)
This section really is pointless, just a list which keeps on growing. Per the manual ...
Consideration should be given to keeping embedded lists and tables as short as feasible for their purpose and scope: material within an embedded list should relate to the article topic without going into unnecessary detail. should this section be deleted ? Unibond (talk) 02:10, 21 March 2017 (UTC)