Talk:Fenni

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Jump to: navigation, search
WikiProject Ethnic groups (Rated Stub-class, Mid-importance)
WikiProject icon This article is within the scope of WikiProject Ethnic groups, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of articles relating to ethnic groups, nationalities, and other cultural identities on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.
Stub-Class article Stub  This article has been rated as Stub-Class on the project's quality scale.
 Mid  This article has been rated as Mid-importance on the project's importance scale.
 
Note icon
This article has been marked as needing an infobox.

Fenni, Phinnoi, (Skritfinni)[edit]

I was wondering if we should merge the articles Fenni and Phinnoi with some new content on the Screrefennae of Jordanes, the Scritobini of Paul the Deacon and the Scrithiphini of Procopius. We could use [1] as a source (with, of course, quotations). We could call it Classical references to the Sami people? What do you think? Please respond here. Harris Morgan 00:58, 31 December 2007 (UTC).

An overview of classical refernces to the Sami would be useful. But I think the question is whether to merge all the articles as suggested above, or to keep the seperate articles (and create new ones) and have a subsection with a short description in Sami history? Perhaps the best way to do this was to add a subsection to Sami history, and then decide whether a seperate article is necessary? Labongo (talk) 13:10, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
OK. I'll start work on it later. What would you recommend I entitle this new section? 'Classical references'? Shall I place it imbetween 'Prehistory' and 'Before 15th century'? Harris Morgan 13:49, 7 January 2008 (UTC).
Great. How about 'Early references'? The history article is a mess, but as you suggest after 'Prehistory' is probably best. Labongo (talk) 17:18, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

SkiFenni may refer to Sami people. Northern Fenni may refer to whats modern finnish and russian karelian finnish now. Southern fenni may refer to whats estonian and russian ingrians now. The southern fenny may also refer to whats liethuanians and latvians now. On top of that theres the sarmatians who list fenni as sarmatian tribe. And if that where not enough, hungary belongs to fenno-ugric language group and has history with sarmatians. (And few other nomandic tribes coming from northeast.)

If you want to have a go at it I suggest that you edit Sami history and write references to fenni there. Then the same can be done with the estonians, finnish, karelian, igrian and douzen other fenno-ugric tribes whitout leaving vital information out.

Finnish people are agreeing on the fact that skifenni are the most likely sami people. I think finnish wiki had something about it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.155.177.30 (talk) 21:54, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

"Landmass" between the Fenni and Bastarnae[edit]

One version of Tacitus states: "The Venedi have adopted many Sarmatian habits; for their plundering forays take them over all the wooded and mountainous highlands that lie between the Peucini and the Fenni.". To suggest that this means opposite end of the landmass from the the Black Sea to Baltic States/NW Russia is really synthesis. To suggest that Venedi had plundering forays across almost one thousand kilometres of an entire landmass is just not credible. Note that Ptolemy situates the "Phinnoi" as apparently dwelling to the East of the upper Vistula river (SE Poland), this location is closer to the Bastarnae, and Ptolemy does state the "Phinnoi" were once located below the Venedae. This region is also hilly, so it fits with Tacitus. Martintg (talk) 05:44, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

Inconsistent map[edit]

The map pictures the Fenni as a Balto-Slavic group, but the text of the article suggests there's nothing certain about their language, not even that they all spoke the same language. Daizus (talk) 01:20, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

Where exactly do you see the Fenni classified as Balto-Slavic on the map? Please put on your glasses Daizus. Andrei (talk) 02:24, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

Sorry, I edited few articles in a row (mostly about Balto-Slavic tribes on your map). My point still stands, that section does not support a probable language for these Fenni (Finno-Ugric as your suggested on the map). Daizus (talk) 02:32, 15 January 2011 (UTC)