Talk:Flag of Togo/GA1

GA Review

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Passed. Congrats on your first GA! — Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧 (talk | contribs) 16:37, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Nominator: Yue (talk · contribs) 19:37, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Reviewer: Vigilantcosmicpenguin (talk · contribs) 19:20, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'll take this review. I love the flag of Togo. Note that this is my first GAN review, so please let me know if I do anything wrong. — Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧 (talk | contribs) 19:20, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Rate	Attribute	Review Comment
1. Well-written:
	1a. the prose is clear, concise, and understandable to an appropriately broad audience; spelling and grammar are correct.	Well-written.
	1b. it complies with the Manual of Style guidelines for lead sections, layout, words to watch, fiction, and list incorporation.	Lead section summarizes the article. Sections make sense. No weasel words or other WTW.
2. Verifiable with no original research, as shown by a source spot-check:
	2a. it contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline.	References section is good.
	2b. reliable sources are cited inline. All content that could reasonably be challenged, except for plot summaries and that which summarizes cited content elsewhere in the article, must be cited no later than the end of the paragraph (or line if the content is not in prose).	Statements are sourced to published books, news articles, and an encyclopedia article by a prominent expert. Primary sources are used appropriately.
	2c. it contains no original research.	All information in the article is accurate to the sources.
	2d. it contains no copyright violations or plagiarism.	Primary sources are quoted appropriately. No plagiarism.
3. Broad in its coverage:
	3a. it addresses the main aspects of the topic.	Article addresses what is mentioned in reliable sources.
	3b. it stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail (see summary style).	All information is relevant.
	4. Neutral: it represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each.	Does not place undue weight or bias toward anything.
	5. Stable: it does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute.	Article is stable.
6. Illustrated, if possible, by media such as images, video, or audio:
	6a. media are tagged with their copyright statuses, and valid non-free use rationales are provided for non-free content.	All images are free.
	6b. media are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions.	Images illustrate what is in the article.
	7. Overall assessment.	Good to go!

Quickfail criteria

Y No copyvio. Earwig gives a 41.9% similarity, but this is to the Constitution of Togo, which is appropriately quoted as a primary source. Next-closest is 6.5%. — Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧 (talk | contribs) 16:16, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Y No cleanup banners.
Y Stable, with no edit wars.
Y No previous concerns or severe issues.

— Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧 (talk | contribs) 19:39, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

First impressions

I don't think the "Gallery" section adds much to the article. The coat of arms and roundel are relevant, but not discussed in the article. The photos of the flag being used are decent images, but don't warrant a gallery section.
Article says nothing about the flag's usage or flag code. Do RSes mention this? If so, should probably be included.
Encyclopedia Britannica is, of course, a tertiary source. I think it's okay for the given details, since it's all clearly worth stating, but do we not have other sources about the symbolism?

@Vigilantcosmicpenguin: Howdy there! First of all, thank you for taking the time to do this review. Here are my responses to your first impressions:

The gallery section can be removed. I might be able to find a reliable source discussing the coat of arms and roundel though, so I will try shortly.
I looked through several government websites and archives in English and French, and to my knowledge there is no official flag code or protocol. In featured articles like the Flag of Canada, even when there is no flag code or protocol, recommendations by government bodies are described, but I could find no such thing with Togo.
During your intermission between reviews, I can double check some print sources at my university to replace Encyclopædia Britannica, but in my search I could not find another source online that describes the French Togoland flag. I'll take a look though. Whitney Smith was a well-known vexillologist though and he did a lot of the primary research during his lifetime with long-gone records from the '50s to '80s.

Thanks for your help thus far! Yue🌙 03:09, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I found a source from the University of Lomé to back up the design of the French Togoland flag, but some other details still rely on Smith's work at Encyclopædia Britannica. Yue🌙 20:05, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Alright, I think Britannica is acceptable for what you've cited it for, especially with your point that Whitney Smith probably knows what he's talking about. And, if you haven't found any sources for the usage/protocol, I'll consider this to be a sufficiently broad article. — Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧 (talk | contribs) 00:16, 10 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Statements of concern

The statement "one of many African flags that use the pan-African colours..." isn't exactly mentioned in the article. I'm not sure if it counts as "likely to be challenged", but it's worth mentioning that other African countries adopted the colors. The source backs that up, so it'd be easy to tweak the statement in the "Symbolism" section. — Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧 (talk | contribs) 04:50, 10 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Y Remedied. Yue🌙 16:04, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
OK. I personally think it'd be better to just write "several other countries", without specifying them, as in the original source. But it's also acceptable if you want to list a few. — Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧 (talk | contribs) 16:14, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Vigilantcosmicpenguin: Sure, we can keep the prose tight for this article. Yue🌙 16:18, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Done: Revision. Yue🌙 16:21, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think the article should describe Ahyi as "African Picasso" or "among the greatest". The source for this is an obituary, which is going to be biased toward characterizations like this. You should at least credit the "greatest" claim to Pierre Amrouche, as the source says. But I think it's undue, since the article is about the flag and not the designer. — Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧 (talk | contribs) 04:50, 10 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Y Removed. Yue🌙 16:06, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Besides that, all the prose looks pretty good. — Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧 (talk | contribs) 04:50, 10 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Vigilantcosmicpenguin: Forgot to mention a couple days ago that I was about to go on vacation. Back now; on it. Yue🌙 15:48, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Done. These are the revisions. Yue🌙 16:08, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Source spotcheck

Since the article has relatively few sources, I'll check all the ones that are online/have online previews.

Y Posamentier & Lehmann 2011
Y Le Télégramme 2010
Y Panara 2020
Y Roussel 2020
Y Constitution of Togo 2019 (Direct quotes. Your translation is good.)
Y Government of Togo 2021
Y Smith 2001

— Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧 (talk | contribs) 00:37, 11 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.