Talk:Gaur Brahmins

August 2007

Gauḍa Brahmins comprise one of the five branches of Panch-Gauda. Gauḍa Brahmins are related to regions around Haryana-Rajasthan (and also to northern Uttar Pradesh according to historical accounts). Please do not confuse Gauḍa Brahmins with the geographical region Gaur in Bengal / Gauḍa, which belongs to Bengali Brahmins and not to Gauḍa Brahmins. Overwhelming majority of Bengali Brahmins also belong to Panch-Gauda, but none of the Bengali Brahmins belongs to Gauḍa Brahmins. I have plenty of sourced material about all these branches, and I am expanding these articles one-by-one. Please do not change titles without discussion. -Vinay_Jha 18:03, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Hello User:Vinay_Jha, thanks for your elaboration. The current wikipedia page is very thin. Could you expand it with sourced information? Rolly212724 (talk) 14:49, 26 November 2020 (UTC)

@Vinay Jha: Rolly212724 (talk) 14:51, 26 November 2020 (UTC)

I stopped editing articles about brahmins and other India-related articles long ago because some people deliberately destroy my edits without any explicit reason. Most devastating was on Maithil Brahmins, in which my edits were deleted on the ground that Wikipedia does not need details! What a REASON!!VJha (talk) 10:01, 12 February 2021 (UTC)

That's because your edits are mostly unsourced or improperly sourced [1]. Also some looks copy pasted from other venues [2]. Perhaps you should go through WP:RS and WP:HISTRS. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 11:10, 12 February 2021 (UTC)

Removing content without giving explanation ?

Hi @Sitush , You are removing content with sources too. I know you have more power as an editor if I try more you will block me but. This is not good for anyone Wikipedia is to share information and I am doing & you are no one to saying which sources is good or not. You literally removed the commentary of that Father & Manusmriti quote , even for Hemu there are more than one sources are there. So better to we can discuss that here rather edit war. Lotus109 (talk) 20:06, 6 October 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 2 August 2024

Gaur Surname is not considered as Brahmins because they belongs to Chitraguptavanshi Kayastha Family. Chitraguptavanshi Kayastha have the right to adopt either Brahmin and Kshatriya that's Gaurs were treated as Brahmmins but they are Kayastha really. For more details refer Chitraguptavanshi Kayastha "Subgroup". Thanking You!! Raj (talk) 20:56, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. – macaddct1984 ^{(talk | contribs)} 18:25, 4 August 2024 (UTC)

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'''Gaur Brahmins''' (also spelled '''Gor''', '''Gour''', '''Gaud''' or '''Gauda''') are a community of Brahmins in India.

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'''Adi Gaur Brahmins''' abbreviate as '''Gaurs''' (also spelled '''Gor''', '''Gour''', '''Gaud''' or '''Gauda''') are a community of Brahmins in India.

103.81.156.153 (talk) 12:00, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

References

Not sure what to change here. The article title / first mention would stay as "Gaur Brahmins...." per WP:COMMONNAME. Secondly, the source, mentions a lot of terms - Adi Gaur, Gurjar Gaur, Kaunyakubj, Daima, parashar, Pushkarna..., hence doesn't establish explicitly that "Aadi Gaur" is an alternative term for Gaur Brahmins. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 12:40, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

Hi! Fylindfotberserk Gaur Brahmin is just an abbreviate term for the Adi Gaur Brahmins in general. Which is mentioned in old books i.e :

1. Hindu tribes and castes as represented in Benaras by Sherring, M. A. (Matthew Atmore), 1826-1880

The thing is sculptor community also known as Murtikar/Silwats in North India especially in RJ started to call themselves :

Shri Adi Gaur Brahmin and they even created various caste based organizations 7 claiming all kind of history related to Gaur Brahmin & similalry in HR OBC community wants to change their name as Adi Gaur Brahmins (abbreviately Gaur Brahmin). Below are the sources for my claim :

1. Crafts and Craftsmen By Kamlesh Mathur

In this Mathura explain how these artisans created Shri Adi Gaur Brahmin Sculptors Association

2. South Asian Studies Journal of the Society for South Asian Studies (Incorporating the Society for Afghan Studies).1993

Same thing written in this : Adi Gaur Brahman Mūrti Kalākar Samsthā ; there is a similar society at Patharkati , the Sri Adi Gaur Brahmana Seva Sadan . The name is important . It stresses first their Brahmin status , not what one might expect for a craftsman

3. They (Silawats) also filed a case for their inclusion in OBC in RJ with same name but that appeal was reject by the bench as Adi Gaur/Gaur Brahmins filed an appeal against them as Silawats using their caste name for quota. And in this judgement the bench clearly said Adi Gaur are Gaur Brahmins (they both are one but in short known as Gaur) Below is what the bench said :

On the basis of the admission by many representatives of the caste that they are Gaur Brahmans and not Silawats or any other artisanal caste the Bench is convinced that Adi-Gaur Brahmans are Gaur Brahmans.This fact is evidenced by the Census Report, 1931 of Rajputana. As regards Gaur Brahman, the Bench has already found that a social group or community, the traditional occupation of which is priestly activitics, is not considered inferior or lowly in terms of the caste system prevalent in the country. Thus the traditional occupation of this community does not justily its inclusion in the list of Backward Classes. It is not merely that the Gaur Brahman caste is of professional priests, but their social status in society is indicated

by the reference of Munshi Hardyal Singh to it as forming the fountain head of the numerous Brahmin communities.

4. Below is an excerpt from the book : The artists of Nathadwara : the practice of painting in Rajasthan

by Lyons, Tryna

Gaya. Dr. Buchanan writes of these stoneworkers,

descended from the builders introduced by Rani Ahilya Bai:

They came originally from Jayanagar [Jaipur], and some of

them pretend to be Gaur Brahmans, as they possess books on

their art in the Sangskrita language, and are able not only to

read them, but understand their contents. The head man

among them, although his brother had made considerable

progress in the study of astrology, acknowledged that they are

Shudras. They live what is called a pure life. Their priests are

Gaur Brahmans, and they all worship Krishna.

In my old (request without account) my source also say this on p.no 262

BRAHMAN-GAUR - POI Equivalent: GAUR BRAHMAN

census year: 1931; earlier distribution: Ajmer-Merwara, Gwalior State,

Jaipur State; present distribution: Bihar: Darbhanga, Madhubani,

Pashchim Champaran, Haryana: Rohtak, Himachal Pradesh:

Shimla, Madhya Pradesh: Bhind, Gwalior, Mandsaur, Morena,

Shahjahanpur, Ujjain, Rajasthan: Ajmer, Alwar, Bharatpur,

Bikaner, Bundi, Dungarpur, Jaipur, Jhalawar, Kota, Pali, Tonk,

Udaipur, Delhi

BRAHMAN-GAUR and ADI GAUR, census year: 1931; carlier distribution: Rajputana Agency

This also mentions on p.no 1284.

GAUR BRAHMAN

Synonyms: Mullick, Padmashree (Bihar)

Baman, Pandit (Haryana)

Adi Gaur [Himachal Pradesh]

Groups/subgroups: Bhojki, Krishna, Parasrami, Shukla [Himachal

Pradesh]

Adi Gaur, Adi Sri Gaur, Behara, Bharatkul, Hariyana ,Utkala,

Sandhya, Sri Gaur, Srotriya [H.H. Risley)

Titles: Mallik, Padmashree (Bihar)

Pandit [Haryana]

Pandit, Pujari [Himachal Pradesh]

Surnames: Dube, Mallik, Mishra, Pandey, Pathak, Sharyam Tiwari

(Bihar)

Bhrigod, Jemni, Modgil [Haryana)

Gaur, Sharma (Delhi)

So, it will be better that we can add this thing in the article itself that Adi Gaur Brahmin & Gaur Brahmin are synonmous & Adi Gaur is real name of them & Gaur is short of Adi Gaur is just their abbreviated/short term. And it will be helpful if an basic para or note can be add in the article that Adi Gaur this name is appropriated by different communities who are not brahmin but artisans like Sculptors, Khati/Jangra etc. Hope I am able to explain you for the edit request. Arindam Vats (talk) 06:59, 30 August 2024 (UTC)