Talk:Gondolin/Archive 1

Archive 1

Review of Gondolin

As previously stated, the notability of the article is lacking. Finding sources that analyze the topic outside of the literal may be beneficial, otherwise the only applicable source will be mostly primary. Either other allusions that Tolkien made, or that other artists made to him, or perhaps notes on the significance of the city.

DVogl (talk) 21:51, 2 April 2017 (UTC)

Untitled

This article, while good, is a mish-mash of material from both the Silmarillion and the Book of Lost Tales, Volume II. No distinctions are made as to what comes from where, or to the changing conceptions of Tolkien's mythos, and this leads to confusion (such as using "Maeglin" throughout instead of "Meglin" when appropriate for the older material, or referencing the mechanical dragons (that are never addressed in later versions of the story)). Footnotes, references, and a discussion of the the history of the tale of the Fall should all be added.

Marquoz 01:08, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

I agree; if I find time I'll try to clean it up. Solicitr (talk) 22:03, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

Also, Finwë Nólemë appears in The Book of Lost Tales, but in Tolkien's later conceptions his role is split between Finwë and Fingolfin. As for Turgon's emblem of the Scarlet Heart, BoLT has this to say: "The Scarlet Heart: the heart of Finwë Nólemë, Turgon's father, was cut out by Orcs in the Battle of Unnumbered tears, but it was regained by Turgon and became his emblem." (Umm...Turgon? Is everything all right?) This is of course inconsistent with the published Silmarillion, where Finwë is killed in Formenos and Fingolfin dies in his famous duel with Morgoth before the gates of Angband (his body being rescued by Thorondor and brought to Gondolin). Double sharp (talk) 08:42, 1 March 2015 (UTC)

Placed Notability Tag

Not the subject of multiple independant secondary sources as required by WP:NN and does not have any real world content as clarified by WP:FICT [[Guest9999 22:35, 18 August 2007 (UTC)]]

Location of Gondolin

When I read this I found myself wondering "where is it?". If the location is in there and I missed it, it needs to be stressed more. How about a nice map under that nice graphic at the beginning?

Pb8bije6a7b6a3w (talk) 19:31, 5 April 2013 (UTC)

In the middle of the Encircling Mountains, upon the vale of Tumladen, west of Dorthonion, north of Dimbar, east of Tol Sirion, south of the Fen of Serech and Eithel Sirion. But you're right – all this would be much less confusing if we had a map of Beleriand (although I'm not sure we can have one at an actually useful size, due to copyright concerns, and the Silmarillion map irritatingly cuts off Thangorodrim). Double sharp (talk) 08:45, 1 March 2015 (UTC)

Time to take the In-Universe tag down?

Having read the article as it currently stands, with many references to the various texts from The History of Middle-Earth and The Silmarillion, I think it's sufficiently out-of-universe to have the notice removed. Eddievhfan1984 (talk) 23:41, 1 August 2017 (UTC)

Reference check

I'm sure there's a typo in a reference, but don't want to change it without checking Lost Tales Vol. II. Can anyone oblige? I'm sure in reference 1 the word must be carven, not craven. ;-) Claudia (talk) 14:01, 8 October 2017 (UTC)

Checked it against my copy of Lost Tales, is indeed a typo, fixed it. DaLeBu (talk) 22:54, 9 October 2017 (UTC)