Talk:HMS Lysander (1913)/GA1
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Reviewer: Hog Farm (talk · contribs) 18:01, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
- Infobox
- I don't think you need to say that there was one single pom-pom AA gun. The fact that there was only one of them implies that it was a single gun.
- Done.
- Be consistent with the rounding on the 4-inch guns. The prose gives 100mm, while the infobox gives 101.6mm. My guess is that the conversion template is probably set to different rounding levels.
- Fixed.
- Construction and career
- HMS Lysander says The first Lysander was a 4-gun brig, listed from 1842 to 1844 but with little further information available. albeit it with no source. This doesn't match up well with This was the first time that the Navy had used the name Lysander, recalling the Spartan military leader. from this article. This warrants looking into, although the mention on the dab page looks pretty dicey.
- True. It says the first in Manning & Walker but has the brig in Colledge & Warlow. I have changed the language so it is true either way. Incidentally, Lysander is also the name of a third rate in The Bolitho novels. Should this be mentioned in the DAB?
- It's mentioned at the article for the Bolitho novels, so its inclusion would probably pass WP:DABMENTION. Although, there is a fair case to be made that the Bolitho page includes maybe a touch too much detail about fictional minutae.
- True. It says the first in Manning & Walker but has the brig in Colledge & Warlow. I have changed the language so it is true either way. Incidentally, Lysander is also the name of a third rate in The Bolitho novels. Should this be mentioned in the DAB?
- "covered the seaplane carriers Engadine and Riviera, as the carrier's aircraft attempted to" - Since there's two carriers, you'll need to use the plural form of the possessive.
- Oops. Thank you.
- "but the attack was aborted." - Can it be briefly stated why?
- Yes, and for anyone who has experience of the North Sea, it will not be a surprise.
- "The vessel remained at Harwich until the end of the War." - Not sure that War should be capitalized here.
- Happy to change.
- " Lysander was initially placed in reserve at Plymouth alongside over forty nine other destroyers" - I'm not sure about British English, but I know in American English, forty-nine is hyphenated
- Thank you. This is now sorted.
- "On 9 June 1922, the vessel was sold to Cashmore of Newport, Wales, and broken up" - Phrasing suggests it was broken up on 9 June 1922; this quick of pace seems unlikely. What does the source say?
- Thank you. I have clarified that.
- Corbett is listed in the bibliography, but is not used as a source. Move to a further reading section, or remove entirely.
- Thank you. I had the wrong volume. This is now correct.
- Images
- At the source for the image in the infobox, there's an image for Lysander as well. If it can be established to be PD as well, can you upload the Lysander image and use it specifically?
- I don't have the postcard so I cannot scan it in. Are we allowed to simply copy the image from the website to Wikimedia?
- It depends. I'm not an expert at copyright law, but I'm thinking maybe in this case. Per Commons:United Kingdom, if the photograph is an anonymous work, it's PD if it's from before July 1957, which the Lysander picture has to be. If there's a known author, it's 70 years after said author's death, so we'd need the author and when they died to see if its PD. The website hosting the images claims copyright, but that seems very dubious. So I guess it depends on if this a anonymous work or not, which I can't tell with 100% confidence. Buidhe, do you have any ideas on this? Hog Farm Bacon 01:42, 28 October 2020 (UTC)
- Without a link, it's hard to know what you're referring to. If it's this picture, more info is needed to show that it's free. Remember, it has to be free in US as well as UK, which means that documented publication before 1925 is most likely required. (t · c) buidhe 01:49, 28 October 2020 (UTC)
- It's this link, which provides less information than the one you found, so yeah, this isn't going to be uploadable.
- Without a link, it's hard to know what you're referring to. If it's this picture, more info is needed to show that it's free. Remember, it has to be free in US as well as UK, which means that documented publication before 1925 is most likely required. (t · c) buidhe 01:49, 28 October 2020 (UTC)
- It depends. I'm not an expert at copyright law, but I'm thinking maybe in this case. Per Commons:United Kingdom, if the photograph is an anonymous work, it's PD if it's from before July 1957, which the Lysander picture has to be. If there's a known author, it's 70 years after said author's death, so we'd need the author and when they died to see if its PD. The website hosting the images claims copyright, but that seems very dubious. So I guess it depends on if this a anonymous work or not, which I can't tell with 100% confidence. Buidhe, do you have any ideas on this? Hog Farm Bacon 01:42, 28 October 2020 (UTC)
- I don't have the postcard so I cannot scan it in. Are we allowed to simply copy the image from the website to Wikimedia?
That's it, I think. Good work, placing on hold.
- Thank you for a very thorough review. It is quite fun finding this stuff out. simongraham (talk)
- I'm comfortable passing this one now. Good work. Hog Farm Bacon 01:54, 28 October 2020 (UTC)
- Thank you for a very thorough review. It is quite fun finding this stuff out. simongraham (talk)