Talk:Harbourne Stephen/GA1

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Reviewer: Pickersgill-Cunliffe (talk · contribs) 16:10, 1 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Will get to this shortly. Pickersgill-Cunliffe (talk) 16:10, 1 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Prelim[edit]

  • No edit wars
  • Images correctly licensed
  • Earwig reports copyvio unlikely

Lede and infobox[edit]

  • "destroyed a number of aircraft" might as well provide the number here
  • "several operations" of what type?
  • "commanded a fighter wing" provide the name here even if it's a red link - also add the red link into the infobox
  • Perhaps include in the lede his winning of the DSO and the DFCs
  • Add 602 Sdn to commands in infobox
  • Done; note that I put the most important command first rather than having them in chronological order. Zawed (talk) 03:57, 8 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Burma campaign not specifically mentioned in text

Early life[edit]

  • "educated privately" does this mean at home or something else? I was educated privately, but it was very much still at school..!
  • "shifted" moved?
  • I didn't want to use moved because that was what the source used; gone with went instead. Zawed (talk) 04:07, 8 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Stephen initially worked"
  • "gained the requisite flying hours"?
  • Link Second World War, and perhaps a date too (although you might think it too obvious)
  • Put a month/year in but haven't linked Second World War. In other reviews I have been asked to take it out as being unnecessary. Zawed (talk) 04:07, 8 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Second World War[edit]

  • "No. 11 Group Fighter Pool" is this the type of unit that might deserve a red link?
  • Probably not, I think it was some kind artificial construct for administrative purposes. Zawed (talk) 05:35, 8 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • "He was then" can you provide a timeframe at all?
  • No, none of the sources are explicit of this. Zawed (talk) 05:35, 8 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Stephen's section leader was the pilot that first engaged the enemy" not sure how relevant this is. Perhaps replace with an explanation that the squadron did not shoot it down, and subsequently No. 43 Sqn..?
  • "once the Battle of Britain commenced" when?
  • "The squadron was moved to No. 12 Group" where were they before? wasn't too obvious it was No. 11 despite the earlier fighter pool mention
  • Have introduced No. 11 Group earlier in the section. Zawed (talk) 05:35, 8 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • "some 30 miles" is "some" necessary?
  • "the squadron was equipped" and "was operating"
  • Mk > Mark
  • " In mid-November" considering this is in relation to a three-kill day, suggest providing date
  • "in just six"
  • "he was seconded.." when?
  • None of my sources specify when exactly this was. Zawed (talk) 05:35, 8 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • "He was mentioned in despatches on 17 March" do you think this from his operational days or because of work at Farnborough?
  • None of my sources state why. I only came across while searching the LG for the DSO/DFC citations. Zawed (talk) 05:35, 8 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • "and then, on 1 April..." this sentence says 1 April twice
  • "In June 1941" rem repeated year
  • "formation member" not sure this has an obvious meaning
  • "Mk Vb" again suggest changing to mark
  • "convoy patrols" protecting convoys or attacking them?
  • "After a period of command of No. 234 Squadron" woah! this squadron command comes out of nowhere. is there any more detail?
  • "served as a wing leader" of what?
  • "operating from Chittagong" doing what?
  • "held the rank of wing commander" promotion date?
  • " subsequently held staff postings..." considering this period seems to stretch from 1942 to 1945, would be useful to have some dates to clarify when/where he was doing what
  • The sources only give very superficial coverage of this stage of his life unfortunately, so can't give specific dates or even time frames. Zawed (talk) 05:35, 8 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • "He had been credited"?
  • Was it just the claimed kills that were unconfirmed, or the probables and damages too?

Later life[edit]

  • "entailed a move to Glasgow" have you said where he was before? If not, suggest "was based in Glasgow"
  • "emergency commission" for any particular reason?
  • Sources don't say; it is actually the LG that refers to this as an emergency commission. Zawed (talk) 05:40, 8 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • " Royal Auxiliary Air Forceto" interesting link!
  • When did his RAAF role end?
  • Stated when his squadron command ended. Zawed (talk) 09:31, 8 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Done, but note that this creates a dupe link. Zawed (talk) 04:32, 8 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • "He then became managing director at The Daily Telegraph" when?
  • "helped to found the Raleigh International charity" when?
  • Having a look at internet archive suggests there might be a little more to write about his newspaper work and exploration/expedition support, but only minor details
  • I think coverage is reasonable for GA. If I take this to A-class, I will scout around but it is not in my plans to develop this one beyond GA anyway. Zawed (talk) 10:19, 8 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

References[edit]

  • References look good. See above comments on possible further inclusions.

@Zawed: That's all I've got for a first run through. My apologies for the long wait! Pickersgill-Cunliffe (talk) 17:51, 7 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Pickersgill-Cunliffe: thanks for taking a look at this. I have responded above and with various edits to the article. Cheers, Zawed (talk) 10:19, 8 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Zawed: I'm happy with the changes you've made, having done a couple of minor edits myself. I should have made it more clear that the "minor details" were totally optional, and I agree that they're not needed to fulfil the GA criteria. Passing this article. Pickersgill-Cunliffe (talk) 13:27, 9 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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