Talk:Hilda Hilst/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: The Blue Rider (talk · contribs) 23:24, 21 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Criteria: 1a. prose () 1b. MoS () 2a. ref layout () 2b. cites WP:RS () 2c. no WP:OR () 2d. no WP:CV ()

3a. broadness () 3b. focus () 4. neutral () 5. stable () 6a. free or tagged images () 6b. pics relevant ()

Note: this represents where the article stands relative to the Good Article criteria. Criteria marked are unassessed

General

@MaterialWorks: the article is almost passable just a problem: this sentence, Hilst's visits with her father... seemingly lost its source. — The Blue Rider 01:03, 25 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Done. — Material Works 01:11, 25 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Can you give me the quote being used? I can't seem to find the text supporting the sentence. — The Blue Rider 01:23, 25 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I swear there was something in it supporting that sentence, but I can't find it anymore. I've removed that sentence, couldn't find a good source for it.

@MaterialWorks: what makes source #5 reliable? Also, it does not cover that Hilst studied at University of São Paulo nor that Lygia introduced her to contemporary Brazilian poetry. It further does not cover anything of the Early career's section. — The Blue Rider 01:19, 25 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Source #8 (Musa Rara) is used thrice and is a blog!! It needs to be substituted.

After searching into it, it seems Musa Rara is actually a magazine. — Material Works 16:10, 25 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The sentence Her mother was also institutionalized at the end of her life for dementia... also lost its source?!

Done. — Material Works 16:10, 25 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@MaterialWorks: I think everything is all set. Passing the article, good job! — The Blue Rider

16:18, 25 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Lead

The second sentence, She is lauded...., isn't mentioned in body of the article and has no sources so I suggest its removal. Especially since such a strong statement in the first paragraph raises NPOV red flags.
Done.
Add a wikilink to mysticism.
Done.
Add a wikilink to female sexual liberation.
Done.
Her admiration for James Joyce and Samuel Beckett isn't mentioned in the body of the article. Further, fractured reality, stream of consciousness are also never mentioned in the «Themes» section! This seems important so do add this information.
Done.
Per MOS:LEADCITE, citations in the lead are generally avoided except in cases of statements likely to be challenged. With that in mind, remove/reallocate the two citations.
Done.
Add a wikilink to Jaú.
Done.
Add a wikilink to São Paulo (the city).
Done.
Add a wikilink to estate.
Done.
Per sourcing wording, Sun House → House of the Sun.
Done.

Life and career

Early years

How did her parents' conditions, their relations with mental health, and oppressive conservative social standards affect Hilst's writing?
Done? Not sure if it sounds good.
Is this theme explored further down in the article? If so, then it's fine to leave it as it is, otherwise I think it would be worth clarifying what experiences in concrete she included in her books. The Blue Rider 13:14, 22 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Add a wikilink to dementia.
Done.
Too many «hers» in a row in Her visits with her father gave her unusual. Consider rewording it to: Her visits with her gave Hilst an unusual or Hilst visits with her gave her an unusual.
Done.
What's a «treatment of the mind»?
Sentence rewritten.
Add a wikilink to surrealism.
Done.

Poetry

Per MOS:SUFFER, it's better to replace «ailing» with a more neutral word.
Removed. Don't think that word (or a more neutral one) is necessary at all.
Why did she want to meet with Marlon Brando? I assume she was a fan of him, if so, did he affect her writing?
I'm not sure why; it's not really mentioned in-depth in sources. I'm not aware of him affecting her writing.
Add a wikilink to Sumaré.
Done.
What other artists and intellectuals? How did that influence her?
Partly done. Can't find anything about how it influenced her.
What did the Report to Greco said that made her want to return to Campinas?
Done.
Add a wikilink to Campinas.
Done.
Do you think Dante Casarini is worth a red-link?
I don't think he's notable enough to need one.
Was she dating said sculptor?
Done.
Her father died of what? Is it known?
I can't find anything about it.
After reading the section I'm left without knowing what her poetry was about, I highly recommend for some additional information to be added in that regard.
Question: Wouldn't this make the themes section redundant? Maybe this section should be renamed to something else, maybe "Early career"?
I wasn't aware of such section, my bad! Agreed that «Early career» seems a better naming, good idea :)
I think the phrasing of the following sentence is a little off. I suggest: themes of necessary isolation to achieve knowledge of the human being → themes of self-isolation to achieve knowledge.
Done.

Theater and prose

Hilst had a prolific output as she → Hilst was particularly prolific as she
Done.
Two of the most important Brazilian authors to do so → Two prominent artists to do so
Done.
What consisted her experiments with the electronic voice phenomena? Does she belief in the spirits? If so,
Will expand later.
Per MOS:PARA, single-sentence paragraphs are generally avoided, so I suggest the junction of the two paragraphs.
Done.

Later years

Is the increasing financial pressure due to the Latin American debt crisis? If so, this could be mentioned.
Don't think it necessarily is, but I expanded it a bit anyways.
What did the Programa do Artista Residente consist of? Teaching?
Clarified.
Add a wikilink to tetralogy.
Done.
Why did she described the first book as "porno chic"?
I couldn't find he actually mentioning it like that anywhere, so I've removed it.
Per MOS:PARA, single-sentence paragraphs are generally avoided, so I suggest the junction of the last paragraph with the above.
Done.

Death

Add a wikilink to femur.
Done.
translated and became available in English → translated to the language
Done.

Themes

Remove comma in beginning in 1958, with Adoniran Barbosa.
Done.
As of 2018, she has been referenced over twelve hundred times in books, magazines, academic journals, and others. → She has been highly referenced in books, magazines, academic journals and others.
Done.
Per MOS:SEAOFBLUE, two wikilinks in a row are usually avoided. As so, I suggest the removal of the sexuality wikilink.
Done.
Why is pornography put under quotations marks?
Removed.
Add a wikilink to metanarrative.
Done.
Add a wikilink to soliloquies.
Done.
Add a wikilink to simulacra.
Done.
If there are other narrative features worth mentioning then do so, otherwise remove «and others».
Done.

Honours

Remove the duplicated wikilink to Jabuti Prize.
Done.
Prêmio Anchieta is described in the article as «one of the most important in the country at the time». Do you it deserves a red wikilink?
Added.
Add wikilink to Brazilian Association of Art Critics
Done.
by the same Associação Brasileira de Críticos de Arte → by the same association
Done.
Add an interlanguage wikilink to pt:Câmara Brasileira do Livro.
Done.

Translation

Everything looks fine here.

Publications

Are the translations given the official ones or made by you?
They all have translations done by me. The ones with official translations have it listed after English translation: , as per Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Lists of works § Other second-language titles.
Do her books have many editions? If not, provide the ISBN for the «Prose fiction» section!
I've added the ISBN for some–I couldn't find it for all of them–of the reissues (most of the original books don't have an ISBN).

Stability

Last edited on 20 Oct. and no edit war was recently in place, the article is stable.

Images

I'm not particularly well versed in this matter, but I think the copyright of the the signature image belongs to Hilda Hilst, so the editor, Gambeti, has no business in publishing it in the public domain, right? The other image has an appropriate copyright tag, it is relevant to the article and has a suitable caption.
Going off of commons:COM:SIG US and commons:COM:TOO Brazil, I don't think it passes the threshold of originality for it to be copyrighted. I've tagged it with a more appropriate copyright tag. — Material Works 11:49, 22 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you. The new tag is appropriate, passing the relevant criteria. The Blue Rider 12:04, 22 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Copyvio

Earwig's Copyvio Detector points to 29,1% due to publishers names (a lot of sources are books).

Sources

All sources numbers are from this version. Checked sources #2, #4, #9, #10, #13, #17, #24, #27, #30 and #35.

Source #4 calls Casa do Sol "House of the Sun". Further, the source says she built a second house, Casa da Lua though it doesn't expand much on that. Is there any other potential source that does?

I've changed all the instances of "Sun House" to "House of the Sun". I couldn't find any sources expanding on the second house, so I just added a small sentence mentioning it.

Can't access the archive for #9. Is it up for you? Also, what makes quarterlyconversation.com reliable?

It's down for me. I'll replace it with other sources as soon as I can.

Done.