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Pommel as counterweight[edit]

The pommel only developed into a counterweight around the 11th century. For example Roman swords have wooden pommels. They are to prevent the sword slipping from the hand. Radj397 (talk) 18:13, 21 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Ricasso[edit]

"However, it also provided a convenient place for an opponent to grab, so the ricasso's role might have been mostly ceremonial."

Completely wrong so I'm removing this. Radj397 (talk) 19:31, 21 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Knuckle-Bow[edit]

Knuckle-bow redirects here, but there's no definition or description on the page. Wellspring (talk) 00:51, 31 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Worldwide view[edit]

This seems overwhelmingly late-medieval/early-modern European. Swords in other cultures had hilts, too, and there should at least be links to other relevant articles. Foltor (talk) 02:51, 17 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Is carpal tunnel syndrome keeping you from adding it? --Mike - Μολὼν λαβέ 03:33, 17 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

the topic is broad enough as it is. If anyone does want to discuss "Hilt" in any other context, use disambiguation. If the argument is that this article doesn't deserve the "primary meaning" Hilt page, move the page. --dab (𒁳) 09:39, 26 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Needing a term[edit]

Sometimes in addition to a crossguard there is a piece protecting the hand from one side, this is present in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Rapiere-Morges-1.jpg but not in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Sword_parts-en.svg for example.

It is present in http://stickersforwall.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/jake-and-the-neverland-pirates.jpg from "Jake" in Jake and the Never Land Pirates and absent in 'Captain Jake' of Captain Jake and the Never Land Pirates http://advancedgraphics.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/2029_CaptainJake_DisneyJunior_34.jpg for as well.

I don't know if we should make up a term like "finger guard" or something. Was thos used to punch with or parry horizantal slices from the front? Hoping a term exists for it already.

I would describe is as running almost parallel with the blade, perpendicular to the crossguard, except for it having a curve which complicates things. Then again. crossguards aren't always perfectly straight so maybe the rough idea is enough.

Whatever this term and piece is, would love to see it discussed here. It has elements of a basket but seems wrong to call a single line that.

I think it might be knuckle-bow. Noticed it mentioned under the Walloon sword. I see that redirects here but there is no mention of it on the page. FineDictionary says "Chambers's Twentieth Century Dictionary 1.Knuckle-bow the curved part of a sword-guard that covers the fingers" so this guess is on the right track. Where should it be added? We probably need smoe better references.64.228.89.137 (talk) 16:37, 25 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The correct term is a basket hilt, although in its simplest form, the simple term guard suffices, as used here — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.123.173.109 (talk) 01:25, 18 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Correction[edit]

The haft of a blade is the extension of the blade to form the core of the handle. It is only very rarely synonymous with the hilt, as usually it will have the same thickness as the blade, but be cut down to a spine which fits into the hand. For response and to protect the steel from acidic sweat, it is often faced with plates made of a more organic material such as wood or leather, as well as a balancing pommel, to form the hilt. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.123.173.109 (talk) 01:18, 18 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]