Talk:International Meteorological Organization

I.M. "Institute": Name Change? or multiple (coincidental?) TYPOS? or what?

Some questions

Is there such a thing as the "International Meteorological Institute"? OR... is there some organization that used to have that name, and that is no longer called that? (either still in operation, or defunct)? (either related to the International Meteorological Organization, or not) -- ? --

The reason[s] why I wanted to ask these questions

In the article about James Lovelock, (at least, in the "17:18, 5 August 2019" version of that article) ... I noticed a red-link (see "red link" for what that means) [for the "publisher" field, of] the display text of the {{cite journal}} template instance, in the "ref" tag for footnote number 29.

For reference, the wikitext for that {{cite journal}} template instance, for that footnote there, says:

<ref>{{cite journal |last=Watson |first=A.J. |authorlink=Andrew Watson (scientist) |author2=J.E. Lovelock |title=Biological homeostasis of the global environment: the parable of Daisyworld |journal=[[Tellus B]] |volume=35 |issue=4 |pages=286–9 |publisher=[[International Meteorological Institute]] |year=1983 |url = |doi=10.1111/j.1600-0889.1983.tb00031.x |bibcode=1983TellB..35..284W }}</ref>

and, as you can see, the "publisher" field there "mentions" International Meteorological Institute ... which might be displayed as a red link here, if it is still a title for an article that does not [yet] exist, when you read this.

So, (at first), I thought that [maybe] there was just some mistake, and I started searching (within the English Wikipedia) for [the character string] "International Meteorological Institute". See, e.g. "https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?search=International+Meteorological+Institute&title=Special%3ASearch&go=Go&ns0=1&ns5=1&ns9=1&ns10=1&ns11=1".

The search results there, seem to suggest that there are quite a few organizations like this (with "Meteorological" as their middle name), whose names do contain the word "Institute" right after the word "Meteorological".

However, the story does not end there. (On the contrary, the plot thickens.)

What Happened Next

For some reason, -- (maybe 'partly' because there was a "HIT" for << "Tellus B (redirect from Tellus Series B - Chemical and Physical Meteorology)" >> in the search results for the above-mentioned search?) I decided to click on the hyperlink to [the article about] "Tellus B". (I have forgotten whether it was the one in the footnote, or the one in the search results; but that does not matter).

That link is blue, (of course; since the article about "Tellus B" does exist); and it appears (among other places) in the "journal" field of the {{cite journal}} template instance, that is quoted above -- in the big block of wikitext, shown "blockquote"d above, in a fixed-width font -- for that footnote (no. 29) which is mentioned above.

Lo and behold! The [Wikipedia] article about "Tellus B", also contains the exact same red link -- ! --

There (in the [Wikipedia] article about "Tellus B"), the red link -- (for International Meteorological Institute) -- occurs in [the text of] the article ... not in a footnote. In fact, it occurs within [the text of] the lede sentence of that article!

I do not know what the explanation is

Is it possible that this organization -- << the "International Meteorological Organization" >> -- used to have a name that ended with the word "Institute", instead of with the word "Organization" -- ? --

(If so, then maybe someone wise could comment about whether or not it would be advisable to have a "redirect" page, "FROM" the name International Meteorological Institute, "TO" the name of [the currently existing article], "International Meteorological Organization".)

Any comments?

I might want to do an edit or two ...; but, before that, it would be interesting to see whether anyone -- (perhaps someone who knows "a thing or two" about "Meteorological Institutes" and "Meteorological Organizations") -- is willing and able to shed some light on how things got this way, and can perhaps enlighten us, and/or provide some advice. (Maybe someone could even provide some "suggestions", about what to do next.)

Any advice or other comments would be welcomed. --Mike Schwartz (talk) 05:12, 23 August 2019 (UTC)

Update ... a short time later

Upon checking the two links at "Tellus B#External links", I found that the first one (for some web pages from the old [pre-2012] publisher) did not seem helpful. In fact, that link points to [the web page at] the URL

• http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/journal/10.1111/%28ISSN%291600-0889

and clicking on it seemed to redirect (or auto "forward") to the URL

• https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/journal/16000889

and, trying to click on any of the "ABOUT" links from there, took me to some << "404 -- Page Not Found" >> -type "Error Message" web pages.

However, the second link from "Tellus B#External links" is the one for the new [post-2011] publisher, and that one did seem way more helpful. That link took me to a web site that seems to be still getting updated, /slash "maintained", and clicking on it took me to [something that re-directed or auto "forwarded" to] https://www.tandfonline.com/zelb ... and that was very interesting.

From there, I do not remember exactly how I found my way -- (maybe I even had to do some kind of a "search" for "Tellus B" in order to wind up at https://www.tandfonline.com/action/doSearch?target=titleSearch&SeriesKey=zelb20 ... I am not sure ...) -- but eventually I got to a place [a web page] from which (or, "on" which) I could then click on a link displayed as "Tellus B: Chemical and Physical Meteorology" ... or maybe it was actually a link displayed as "current issue" or something like that! ... and pointing to the URL https://www.tandfonline.com/toc/zelb20/current .

Once I got there, I could see a sort of "Nav[igation] Bar" on the left, which started out, right from the top, with "Aims and Scope" ... which was a link pointing to the URL https://www.tandfonline.com/action/journalInformation?show=aimsScope&journalCode=zelb20 .

...and once I clicked on that, I could clearly see that, the name "International Meteorological Institute" seems to be newer than (and perphaps -- [now] -- more correct than) the name "International Meteorological Organization". I am even starting to wonder when (and how) the name of [the Wikipedia article about] the "International Meteorological Organization" got to be the way it is. Was there perhaps a name change, at some time in the past? Maybe some mistake[s] occurred? ("such as", not changing the name of the article, if there had been a name change to the "topic" [the organization] that the article was about?)

By the way, the "Aims and Scope" web page mentioned above, contains an opening sentence that says:

Tellus B: Chemical and Physical Meteorology along with its sister journal Tellus A: Dynamic Meteorology and Oceanography, are the international, peer-reviewed journals of the International Meteorological Institute in Stockholm, an independent non-for-profit body integrated into the Department of Meteorology at the Faculty of Sciences of Stockholm University, Sweden.

... where the words displayed as "International Meteorological Institute in Stockholm" are a hyperlink pointing to the URL http://www.misu.su.se/ ... which seems to be a home page for the "Department of Meteorology" mentioned [more fully] in the last 12 words of that opening sentence.

Note that it [the above "blockquote"d sentence] says "International Meteorological Institute", and it does NOT say "International Meteorological Organization".

We may not have completely "figured out" all of the answers, but this evidence (mentioned here in this "Update") might be a step in the right direction. I hope this helps. --Mike Schwartz (talk) 07:14, 23 August 2019 (UTC)