Talk:Jamiat Ulema-e-Hind/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: Aussie Article Writer (talk · contribs) 17:33, 22 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Rate	Attribute	Review Comment
1. Well-written:
	1a. the prose is clear, concise, and understandable to an appropriately broad audience; spelling and grammar are correct.	I helped copyedit this article in preparation for this GA review.
	1b. it complies with the Manual of Style guidelines for lead sections, layout, words to watch, fiction, and list incorporation.	The layout is excellent and the lead section summarises the most important parts of the article.
2. Verifiable with no original research:
	2a. it contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline.
	2b. reliable sources are cited inline. All content that could reasonably be challenged, except for plot summaries and that which summarizes cited content elsewhere in the article, must be cited no later than the end of the paragraph (or line if the content is not in prose).	Please note: I assume good faith for sources I am unable to read, however for transparency I make a note when I cannot verify the sources. Lead: checks out History: Inception and development: ~~There is a source "Ulama-e-Haq ke Mujāhidana Kārname" and a page number, but that's it... is this a book? Can we get some more information into the citation template?~~ + Fixed by nom. - Aussie Article Writer (talk) 12:47, 25 July 2021 (UTC)[reply] ~~Could we please get the translation of "Jamī'at-i Ulamā par ek tārīk̲h̲ī tabṣirah" in the bibliography?~~ Fixed by nom. - Aussie Article Writer (talk) 12:45, 25 July 2021 (UTC)[reply] Otherwise, the sources I can read check out. Governance: ~~Could I get the translation of "Pas-e-Marg-e-Zindah"? Can we also get the publisher? And the year it was published?~~ translated by nom. - Aussie Article Writer (talk) 13:05, 25 July 2021 (UTC)[reply] India, Muslims and a new anti-terrorism fatwa does not seem to match the sentence "This mu'ahadah is similar to a previous similar contract signed between the Muslims and the Jews in Medina", or the preceding paragraph. no longer an issue. - Aussie Article Writer (talk) 13:02, 25 July 2021 (UTC)[reply] Independence movement ~~Could we get a translation for "Tehreek Azadi-e-Hind Mai Muslim Ulama aur Awaam ka Kirdar"?~~ Fixed by nom. - Aussie Article Writer (talk) 12:44, 25 July 2021 (UTC)[reply] ~~One of the sources is to "Amini 2017", but there is no such source in the bibliography.~~ Fixed by nom. - Aussie Article Writer (talk) 12:36, 25 July 2021 (UTC)[reply] ~~Could we get a translation of "Karwān-e-Rafta: Tazkirah Mashāhīr-e-Hind"?~~ Fixed by nom. - Aussie Article Writer (talk) 12:42, 25 July 2021 (UTC)[reply] Sources I could read do check out. Partition of India: The text reads "In 1945, a faction emerged within Jamiat Ulema-e-Hind that supported the creation of Pakistan and the All Indian Muslim League. This faction was led by a founding member of the Jamiat, Shabbir Ahmad Usmani. It came to be known as the Jamiat Ulema-e-Islam, and is currently a political party in Pakistan", but the source Century not out, Jamiat still bats for an India with a composite culture does not support this text. A new and more reliable source to a journal has been provided. I read the page and have verified the text. - Aussie Article Writer (talk) 12:53, 25 July 2021 (UTC)[reply] All other sources I can read check out. Split into JUH-A and JUH-M: ~~Could we get the year for the reference "Jami'i, Muhammad Salim (ed.), Jamiat Ulama Number, p. 480"?~~ Fuxed by nom, added source provided also Otherwise, sources I can read check out. Centenary: ~~Can we get a translation of "جمعیت علمائے اسلام (ف) کی صد سالہ تقریبات، امام کعبہ کی آمد"?~~ Fixed by nom. - Aussie Article Writer (talk) 12:37, 25 July 2021 (UTC)[reply] Otherwise, sources check out. Anti-terror edict: all sources check out Hindu relations: all sources I can read check out National Register of Citizens: all sources I can read check out Dowries: all sources checkout COVID-19 vaccinations: all sources checkout Institutions Idara Mabahith-e-Fiqhiyyah: ~~Could you please translate "مباحث فقہیہ جمعیۃ علماء ہند کا تین روزہ فقہی اجتماع 27 مارچ سے نئی دہلی میں !" ?~~ The title has been translated by nom. - Aussie Article Writer (talk) 12:55, 25 July 2021 (UTC)[reply] Jamiat Youth Club: all sources check out Halal trust: all sources check out Jamiat National Open School: all sources check out Legal Cell Institute: ~~How does this source support "Jamiat Ulema-e-Hind also has the Legal Cell institute, through which it helps Muslims accused of terrorism to fight legal battles"?~~ fixed by nom. - Aussie Article Writer (talk) 13:08, 25 July 2021 (UTC)[reply] What is the source for the quote that "innocent people are picked up and incarcerated regularly on different charges in India and their families spend their savings and sell their assets and homes to fight the legal battle in order to prove their innocence"? The referenced article doesn't have this quote in the article. Fixed by nom. - Aussie Article Writer (talk) 12:57, 25 July 2021 (UTC)[reply] all other sources check out Publications division: all sources I can read check out Administration ~~Can you translate "Tazkirah Mashāhīr-e-Hind: Karwān-e-Rafta"?~~ Fixed by nom. - Aussie Article Writer (talk) 13:20, 25 July 2021 (UTC)[reply] ~~please translate "جمعیت علماء مدھیہ پردیش نے لیا سی اے اے اور این پی آر کے خلاف صوبائی سطح پر تحریک چلانے کا فیصلہ".~~ Translated by nom. - Aussie Article Writer (talk) 12:59, 25 July 2021 (UTC)[reply] otherwise, the sources check out
	2c. it contains no original research.
	2d. it contains no copyright violations or plagiarism.	Passes Earwig check.
3. Broad in its coverage:
	3a. it addresses the main aspects of the topic.
	3b. it stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail (see summary style).
	4. Neutral: it represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each.
	5. Stable: it does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute.
6. Illustrated, if possible, by media such as images, video, or audio:
	6a. media are tagged with their copyright statuses, and valid non-free use rationales are provided for non-free content.	File:Jamiat_Ulama-i-Hind_logo.png - fair use tagged, has correct rationale and description ~~File:Darul Uloom Deoband Logo.svg - again, this is the logo of Darul Uloom Deoband. Its not our copyright to assign it a CC license! It should be fair use.~~ the template that contains this has been removed until this is resolved. - Aussie Article Writer (talk) 18:56, 24 July 2021 (UTC)[reply] File:Hifzur Rahman Seoharwi sharing stage with Azad, Nehru and others.jpg - fair use, appropriately tagged and described File:A delegation of leaders from the Muslim Community, under the umbrella of the Jamiat Ulama-i-Hind, calls on the Prime Minister, Shri Narendra Modi, in New Delhi on May 09, 2017.jpg - GODL free use image File:Manmohan Singh, releasing a collection of Parliamentary speeches of Maulana Syed Asad Madani, at the Fida-e-Millat Seminar on “Hazarat Maulana Syed Asad Madani Life and Contribution”, in New Delhi on April 23, 2007.jpg - GODL free use image
	6b. media are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions.	File:Jamiat_Ulama-i-Hind_logo.png - it is appropriate for the article as it shows the organisation's logo ~~File:Darul Uloom Deoband Logo.svg - again, despite the wrong license, it is appropriate for the article (or will be once the license issue is corrected)~~ the template that contains this has been removed until this is resolved. - Aussie Article Writer (talk) 18:56, 24 July 2021 (UTC)[reply] File:Hifzur Rahman Seoharwi sharing stage with Azad, Nehru and others.jpg - appropriate historical image File:A delegation of leaders from the Muslim Community, under the umbrella of the Jamiat Ulama-i-Hind, calls on the Prime Minister, Shri Narendra Modi, in New Delhi on May 09, 2017.jpg - illustrates the article appropriately File:Manmohan Singh, releasing a collection of Parliamentary speeches of Maulana Syed Asad Madani, at the Fida-e-Millat Seminar on “Hazarat Maulana Syed Asad Madani Life and Contribution”, in New Delhi on April 23, 2007.jpg - illustrates the article appropriately
	7. Overall assessment.

Discussion

I am currently in the middle of a copyedit with the help of the nominator. Once this is done, I’ll run the rest of the GA review. - Aussie Article Writer (talk) 17:33, 22 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Copyedit is done now, so I am starting the actual review. - Aussie Article Writer (talk) 18:37, 24 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

TheAafi I am slowly going through the references. This might take a bit of time. Thank you for your patience. Just respond under my point in the table if you fix the issue or have a comment. - Aussie Article Writer (talk) 00:04, 25 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

TheAafi can you help with the referencing? - Aussie Article Writer (talk) 04:02, 25 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Aussie Article Writer, I've fixed some. I guess I recently rephrased the quotations but forgot the quotation marks. The al-Jazeera source you mentioned above does say Masood Zaman, a spokesperson of the legal cell of the Jamiat Ulama, and perhaps this is why I used it in the article. I've fixed most of the references and just checking few others. ─ The Aafī ^{^(talk)} 04:06, 25 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Aussie Article Writer, Both source-issues in the "Governance" and "Partition" section have been fixed. Quote in the Legal cell section is also fixed. All the Urdu titles have been given a translation. The citations have been [expanded/corrected]] wherever it was missing. However, I must note that the book "Ulama-e-Haq ke Mujāhidana Kārname" doesn't have the [year/edition] written on it. I hope to get its another version that is edited by Abu Salman Shahjahanpuri; currently "expanded the complete details in the citation template". ─ The Aafī ^{^(talk)} 04:35, 25 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I've also removed the Al-Jazeera source as I thought it wasn't much helpful and the other two citations over there nicely supported the fact. AFAICS, I've addressed:

Inception and development, Governance, Independence movement, Partition of India, Split into JUH-A and JUH-M, Centenary, Idara Mabahith-e-Fiqhiyyah and Administration; and also fixed the required things in the Legal cell section. Y ─ The Aafī ^{^(talk)} 08:36, 25 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
The quote "In India, almost every day you can hear about an incident where the innocent have been picked up and locked up in jail on various charges. Their families spend their life’s savings and even have to sell their assets, homes in the legal battle to prove the innocence of their kin." from this source looked weird to me in the article, and I removed the quotation marks and used the statement in a paraphrase, that you had copyedited earlier. ─ The Aafī ^{^(talk)} 09:45, 25 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

TheAafi I don’t think the translation got added in this edit. - Aussie Article Writer (talk) 13:11, 25 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Aussie Article Writer, Please check out the bibliography section. ─ The Aafī ^{^(talk)} 13:12, 25 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I've added both of the editions there, so that the book is easily identified and added translation with the one that I've used. It is just below the one edited by Shahjahanpuri. ─ The Aafī ^{^(talk)} 13:14, 25 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, I see! - Aussie Article Writer (talk) 13:20, 25 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

TheAafi - congrats, this has passed GA! Well done. - Aussie Article Writer (talk) 13:21, 25 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Aussie Article Writer, This has been one of my best experiences. Thanks for all the help and assistance. ─ The Aafī ^{^(talk)} 13:27, 25 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

TheAafi an absolute pleasure to have worked with you! This is an area I knew little about and now I know a lot more, absolutely fascinating read. Thank you for being so responsive to my many questions! - Aussie Article Writer (talk) 13:29, 25 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]