Talk:Lao Che (Indiana Jones)

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This article was nominated for deletion on 21 August 2005. The result of the discussion was no consensus.

"nice try, Lao Che"

The categorization of Shanghai as a "myriad cesspool of vices and venoms" is a little over the top; I think the author is drawing too many comparisons between Shanghai of the thirties and Shanghai today. As for the expression "nice try, Lao Che" being customarily uttered by expatriots upon departure, I would have to disagree. Not once have I heard this uttered by anyone at any time, let alone enough to believe that it is a habit for anyone but perhaps the author. This final paragraph should be deleted. Paul

Agreed. -- Supermorff 12:37, 7 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I third. It was entertaining for me to read but in no way encyclopedic. Rufusgriffin 05:51, 19 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Agree. It sounds like a joke. Lao Che isn't that well-known anyway. I'll go ahead and remove it then. Brutannica 00:27, 22 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I think it is pretty clear from the above discussion that consensus has been reached on the "nice try" Lao Che section, but some one continues to replace it. If anyone disagrees please discuss.Daniel J. Leivick 18:16, 21 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I had to change "survives the protagonist" because the way it's worded infers that Lao Che outlives Jones, which is incorrect. I put "survives interacting with the protagonist," but to me this is clunky and if you've got something better put 'er in. Also, some random IP re-inserted that hilariously bad paragraph so I took it back out. Rufusgriffin 05:08, 30 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I thought I would try and clear up why the "nice try Lao Che" paragraph is not acceptable. First it is uses a blatant POV characterization of Shanghai and secondly according to who ever wants to put it in the article, the only documentation of this phenomenon is there own experience which is original research. For these two reasons it is out of place on wikipedia. If it is very important for you to share your discover of the "nice try Lao Che" phenomenon perhaps a private web page dedicated to this topic would be more appropriate.Daniel J. Leivick 19:18, 24 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

"too" Chinese?

How is Lao Che "too" Chinese? What does he specifically do that offends "critics" and makes his portrayal seem "racist"? He's only a stereotype in the sense that he's a Shanghai gangster. Were the filmmakers supposed to make him white or something?

two photos, 'realistic villain' paragraph

I guess there was a dumb edit war over whether there should be just one or two photos of Lao Che in this stub article. Is that really debatable?

Also, the paragraph about Lao Che being considered one of the first "realistic villains" in film, please give that a citation from a reputable critic or other source or I'm tempted to think the author of the line is not very familiar with the movies. A "villain" is almost by nature something unrealistic; individual people in real life do not fit into character molds. Also, if it's merely realistic that Lao Che gets away, there are lots of films where this happens, and Temple of Doom (1985) is very far from being the first. I generally saw no value in that whole paragraph so I removed it. If you have a disagreement on that assessment you can say so. Rufusgriffin 09:34, 14 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I thought that this debate was settled some time ago but the paragraph about "realistic villians" has been re inserted twice. Please either explain your reasoning or stop reverting the deletion. Forgot to sign Daniel J. Leivick 01:06, 29 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]