Talk:Lataro

All mentions of Satoshi being scrapped

I noticed all mentions of Satoshi were scrubbed, but considering this was reported in the guardian, I don't think it can be characterized as promotional. Zaurus (talk) 02:12, 4 August 2022 (UTC)

@User:Womtelo Do you have a source for it being a false name? Please discuss here before reverting my changes. Zaurus (talk) 13:45, 4 August 2022 (UTC)

Well, that fancy name is listed neither on geoview nor on any atlas or other credible source. Therefore, it is not legitimate. I mean, one day I could unilaterally decide that Rio de Janeiro should be renamed "Billytown" as a tribute to my uncle Billy, but this will not automatically make it one of Rio's alternate names on Wikipedia. -- Womtelo (talk) 14:40, 4 August 2022 (UTC).

I'm not sure what the criteria for alternate names is, but I don't think it's geoview. The Guardian is quite clear that "Welch[] renamed the island from its native name Lataro to Satoshi" .

Also the website is then literally linked from the same Guardian article. It's a valid external link, however we might want to put it in Infobox per WP:ELPOINTS. Zaurus (talk) 15:06, 4 August 2022 (UTC)

Well, no. Essentially we're in the same scenario as in my Billytown example. Even if the newspaper reports that I've renamed Rio, that's not enough for my fancy name to become one of Rio's alternate names. You need to bring evidence that the new name is actually used by the local population (including that of surrounding islands), that it's used in the national census or other official documents, etc.

As for the external link, the problem is that it is not a link that discusses the name of the island per se; it is a commercial link that promotes a business. As such, it has no place in this article. (Likewise, I can't just link to my personal blog where I sell trips to "Billytown", as evidence that Rio has been renamed Billytown.). Cheers, -- Womtelo (talk) 15:13, 4 August 2022 (UTC).

Thanks for partially adapting your Billytown argument.

If you leased Rio from Brazil, sort of like how the UK did Hong Kong, then wouldn't you have every right to give it alternate names? Zaurus (talk) 15:35, 4 August 2022 (UTC)

Yes, I thought about that too. But still, you'll need to find secondary evidence (not produced by the person who did the renaming himself) that the name has already caught on in its own environment, and has acquired some currency [pun intended ]. Note that compared with the earlier version, I've actually left the whole paragraph regarding the Satoshi business, with the link to the Guardian's paper (whence readers will be able to retrieve the commercial link to Satoshi island if they want); I thought it was an okay compromise with WP's rules. (Some other editors might want to scrap the whole thing again, as was done once). -- Womtelo (talk) 15:48, 4 August 2022 (UTC).

Rather than compromise please explain to me why it is not encyclopedic to have any mention of it if that's how you feel. From my perspective it seems the page was vandalized when all mentions of Satoshi were scrubbed. I understand that crypto space is full of scam artists, and I am sure that 99% of the Wikipedia edits related with it are probably promotional in nature, so I do appreciate efforts at guarding against this. But I don't think that's what's going on here.

And pls answer my BillyTown question. Zaurus (talk) 16:01, 4 August 2022 (UTC)

It has come to my attention that the Prime Minister of Vanuatu has publicly endorsed the development of "Satoshi Island" and called it by name. In fact he never mentions Lataro, but rather praises the "Satoshi Island" project in light of "the difficulties the world has faced due to COVID-19". I recognize that the space is filled with promotional language and hype, but that doesn't mean it's not possible to sift out the encyclopedic value from these stories. --Zaurus (talk) 03:22, 21 August 2022 (UTC)

Shark Bay language

How is the language spoken on neighboring islands relevant to this island? Zaurus (talk) 03:25, 21 August 2022 (UTC)