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I don't know enough about the subject to answer this, but I suspect the link toward the Marxist idea of historical materialism may constitute editorializing, or that it's link to the "smooth stone" may constitute original research. Can anyone put in their two cents?
- I removed the link to historical materialism since you are right that it constitutes original research. --Loremaster (talk) 01:20, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
I move protected the article for two weeks to prevent further move warring. If you would like to move the article, please start a move discussion. Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 12:23, 19 December 2013 (UTC)
Unitarian Universalism, Liberal Religion and Theological Liberalism
I agree with others (see November 2014 edit by Dbachmann) who have expressed a concern that this article is too specific to the Unitarian Universalist idea of liberal religion. It should be broader in scope, tracing out the development of liberal theological thought as described in the Encyclopaedia Britanica article on theological liberalism: http://www.britannica.com/topic/theological-liberalism. I'm not familiar with the trend toward theological liberalism in world religions other than Christianity, but I'm sure such movements have occurred and ought to be documented here as well. Mmyotis (^^o^^) 00:23, 6 June 2016 (UTC)
I propose that liberal religion be merged into Unitarian Universalism as the latter appears to be the only movement that actually defines itself as a 'liberal religion' (of course, other religions may have elements that tend towards religious liberalism, but are not 'liberal religions' as they also have other elements that are not liberal in outlook). Bermicourt (talk) 20:31, 6 August 2017 (UTC)
- I disagree with this move as items are pointed at this (such as from 'Reform Judaism') - I have adjusted it so it points out that it is not a religion on its own, but a strand of Judaism, but it would be quite inappropriate to point to Unitarian Universalism. It is interesting to note that as far as I can find, Progressive Judaism (of which Reform is a part) is the only religious stream that actually identifies itself by an adjective (it is the largest synagogal grouping in the world). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jonkerbl (talk • contribs) 01:17, 20 September 2017 UTC (UTC)
- Opposed -- Essentially for the same reason: there are several denominations of various religions that exhibit religious liberalism and are "liberal in outlook". -- Elphion (talk) 22:38, 17 October 2017 (UTC) [but see clarification below]
- Unitarian Universalism, like Catholicism, refers to a body of thought associated with a discreet religion, in this case a 200,000 member denomination led by the Unitarian Universalist Association. I recommend that Unitarian Universalism, like Judaism, retain its own Wikipedia entry distinct from liberal religion. Patmontg (talk) 20:07, 2 November 2017 (UTC)
- Merge into and redirect to a new subsection of Religious liberalism titled Religious liberalism § Liberal religion in Unitarian Universalism, not into Unitarian Universalism. The current version of Liberal religion (Special:Permalink/805831581) is entirely about the idea of liberal religion in Unitarian Universalism (UU). Have User:Jonkerbl, User:Elphion, User:Patmontg, who commented above, read the actual content of this article? They seem to want to keep this article because they want the article to be about religious liberalism in general, but the current version of the article is not about religious liberalism in general; it is about the idea of liberal religion in UU. User:Bermicourt was right to notice that there is a problem with this article, but was wrong (as the editors above noted) to state that UU "appears to be the only movement that actually defines itself as a 'liberal religion'". Some other movements that actually define themselves as liberal religion include Quaker Universalist Fellowship, other liberal varieties of Quakers, and secular Buddhism. A better solution to the problem that User:Bermicourt identified is to merge into and redirect to Religious liberalism § Liberal religion in Unitarian Universalism. This will more accurately reflect the fact that UU is not the only self-consciously liberal religion, and that liberal religion in UU is a subset of religious liberalism in general. Redirecting to Unitarian Universalism will not work, as other editors have already noted above, because too many people would be surprised to be redirected there (see WP:SURPRISE). Biogeographist (talk)
- Clarification What I was opposing above is an article calling itself "Liberal religion" or "Religious liberalism" being primarily about UUism. There's no point in having both Liberal religion and Religious liberalism and no point having either be primarily about UUism. The UU aspects should be contained in a UU article (and most of this material is already in Unitarian Universalism). We still need a more general article on Religious liberalism. The correct "merge" (imho) would be to redirect this page to
Liberal religion[I meant Religious liberalism, as Biogeographist suggested below] (which still needs some work) and leave UU details to the UU page(s). -- Elphion (talk) 22:03, 8 November 2017 (UTC)
- @Elphion: I think we're in agreement, but I think you meant to say "redirect this page to Religious liberalism". I think that's the best idea: redirect this page to Religious liberalism and include a subsection of that page on liberal religion in UU (but the subsection would not be as long as this article currently is—instead just a couple of paragraphs), which could have a Template:Main in the subsection that says Main article: Unitarian Universalism. Biogeographist (talk) 23:05, 8 November 2017 (UTC)