Talk:Bread Charity

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Lil Mussie was nominated for deletion. The discussion was closed on 26 November 2020 with a consensus to merge. Its contents were merged into Bread Charity. The original page is now a redirect to this page. For the contribution history and old versions of the redirected article, please see its history; for its talk page, see here.

Article name is wrong

The article name isn't right. I see that the organisation's formal name is "Bread Charitable Trust" and their legal name is "Brave, Eager and Determined (BREAD) Charitable Trust". They appear to go under the name "Bread". So we would either use the group's formal name, or the short version with some form of disambiguation (e.g. "Bread (charity)"). It depends on WP:COMMONNAME which one we ought to use, and that will certainly not be "Bread Charity". Schwede 66 03:47, 25 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for picking this up. I think "Bread (charity)" is the appropriate name. MurielMary (talk) 03:55, 25 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Unsupported claim

Bread also provides clothing and uniform to 2000 children at low decile schools. This funding programme was rolled out mid-2020 and aims to keep children from struggling backgrounds warm and dry during winter months. MurielMary (talk) 08:57, 29 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Founder Section

As per the previous AfD discussion, a consensus was reached to merge Merge and Redirect. Hence, this justifies the existence of a section which details the founder of the organisation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.60.56.151 (talk) 09:01, 29 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, the consensus was to merge information about the founder into this article, which can be done in a number of ways. Just adding a section "founder" is odd, not chronological, doesn't read well, and becomes repetitive. I've merged the information about the founder into several sections of the article. MurielMary (talk) 09:09, 29 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

That is correct however with your approach you are omitting key information about the founder i.e. work with Kanye West and King Chip which has great relevance to the charity. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.60.56.151 (talk) 09:14, 29 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

There was no indication about any connection between the Sheikh/West work and the charity in the biography of Sheikh. MurielMary (talk) 09:20, 29 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Can you please read the rolling stone article which discusses the song made with Kanye West's team and the significance of the lyrics to the charity. Also you are adding incorrect information e.g. crystal has never been stated as a founder of the charity. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.60.56.151 (talk) 09:22, 29 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The articles I've read say that West and Sheikh talked about their respective charity work. What else is there that impacts on the charity? MurielMary (talk) 09:30, 29 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The song was worked on by Kanye's team. There is significant discussion about the charity and how he wishes to use the song and project as motivation for children, "I want any kid out there thinking of doing music (or anything in life) to see this as an example". I have also removed your WordPress site reference, not sure why one would add such an unreliable source to an article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.60.56.151 (talk) 09:34, 29 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I have added the founder section. Granted, with a Lil Mussie redirect is makes sense to have a separate section, adding to the points above. If one is redirected from 'Lil Mussie' then a section on Lil Mussie is expected. Please note that 'Hamish Wu' is not found outside of one mention hence goes against https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:BLPNAME — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.60.56.151 (talk) 20:25, 29 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Re-adding the founder section despite the above discussion is not in keeping with Wikipedia's collaborative approach. Also, I disagree with the claim that a merger requires a specific section dedicated to the old topic. Regards, MrsSnoozyTurtle (talk) 21:24, 29 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Regular events vs one-off events

The article needs to clarify whether events occur regularly or as one-off events e.g. taking a supercar to show children has happened once (according to sources) but is described as if it happens regularly ("occasionally Bread takes ....."). The article should be edited to state specific date events as at this early stage of the organisation's development it's too early to state that these things happen regularly. MurielMary (talk) 10:03, 29 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

'Every year, Bread organises and hosts the Supercar Charity Rally in Auckland'https://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff-nation/300006227/even-in-lockdown-bread-charity-stays-focused-on-helping-children

Also 'The procession of Ferraris and Lamborghinis on Queen St is part of an annual charity supercar rally organised by The Bread Foundation.' https://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/news/119489485/luxury-cars-close-street-in-auckland-cbd-for-charity-rally — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.60.56.151 (talk) 10:14, 29 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

As above, I'm referring to taking a supercar to show children, not the parade. MurielMary (talk) 10:35, 29 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Incorrect, your previous edit said "...not "every year", it happened in 2019 only" your edits added specific years to the events and stated the track day only happened once. I have now corrected this. Please cite sources accurately. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.60.56.151 (talk) 20:00, 29 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Again, I'm not referring the the parade or the track day. I'm referring to taking a supercar to show children. This appears to be a one-off event according to sources therefore should be described as a one-off event. MurielMary (talk) 20:11, 29 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I've removed the statement about taking supercars to children and that one of them was a Lamborghini Aventador claim, as none of the three sources at the end of the statement actually mention either this event (one-off or otherwise) or the model of car. Maybe this is just an artefact of editing, and the actual relevant references have got muddled up, so do please reinstate if there are sources that actually describe this.DrThneed (talk) 01:22, 30 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]