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Please add items to the bottom of this page. I will normally reply on this page to any conversation started here. There is no need to post DYK follow-ups here, as I watchlist DYK nomination forms where I leave comments.


I am sorry to trouble you about this. I would be very grateful if you would kindly correct the title of this page:List of Christan Brother New Zealand school alumni to List of Christian Brothers New Zealand school alumni. Thank you in anticipation.Jam6700 (talk) 02:11, 16 June 2016 (UTC)

@Jam6700: No trouble at all. I see I missed out on an 'S', though, so shall have another go. Schwede66 07:49, 16 June 2016 (UTC)
Thanks very much.Jam6700 (talk) 20:37, 16 June 2016 (UTC)

See NZ page discussion[edit]

Hey Schwede66, see Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Missing_encyclopedic_articles/NZ/Dictionary_of_New_Zealand_Biography#Examples for your information. Kind regards,Calaka (talk) 03:34, 18 June 2016 (UTC) PS. Sorry I missed the number count of the current list, thanks for updating it for me. Cheers!Calaka (talk) 03:39, 18 June 2016 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Notability (sports)[edit]

I see that you PRODded Colombians AFC with the rationale "Fails Wikipedia:Notability (sports) by a large margin". I've left the PROD in place, because it does appear to me that the article probably should be deleted on notability grounds, but I was confused by your citation of Wikipedia:Notability (sports), since that guideline clearly states "This guideline does not cover sports teams." Just wanted to bring this to your attention. Steve Smith (talk) 09:29, 19 June 2016 (UTC)

Didn't get that one right, did I? Schwede66 09:58, 19 June 2016 (UTC)

Why ?[edit]

why you added this template to this article Farrukh Zokirov--ITPRO.UZ (talk) 22:48, 19 June 2016 (UTC)

@ITPRO.UZ: Your command of the English language isn't as good as it needs to be. For example, for your above query to form a grammatically correct question, you would have had to ask: "Why have you added this template to the Farrukh Zokirov article?" Schwede66 03:33, 20 June 2016 (UTC)
I do not speak English very well. --ITPRO.UZ (talk) 10:01, 20 June 2016 (UTC)
you'll be able to correct errors ? --ITPRO.UZ (talk) 17:24, 21 June 2016 (UTC)
Please see my edit summary: "please check that I've got the meaning right, as I really did not know sometimes what the original was trying to say" Schwede66 18:28, 29 June 2016 (UTC)

Wellington Harbour Board[edit]

Thanks for your contribution, you obviously know better. However I am very puzzled by your under-linked tag, why have you put that on? Can you suggest any more links? List them here please. Eddaido (talk) 07:13, 29 June 2016 (UTC)

If you've got four paragraphs of text with zero links, it is most certainly underlinked. Try act of parliament, Wellington City (council), Hutt County, Wairarapa County, mayor of Wellington, (new zealand) government, High Court (of NZ), (Wlgt) waterfront, Local government (in New Zealand), Wellington, Hutt (city), Wairarapa (district), Manawatu (district); note that some of them may be redlinks (but that's fine). That's 12 relevant links over and above the two that I have already added. Makes sense that it's underlinked? Schwede66 08:08, 29 June 2016 (UTC)
I should have thought they (listed by you above) were all so obvious someone would come along and say overlinked and remove them all. I think I've achieved all I wanted with this article and I can leave it for others to develop. Regards, Eddaido (talk) 08:21, 29 June 2016 (UTC)
So you've wasted my time. Unfortunately, I have to observe that this is your common mode of operation when you interact with me. My preference would be that you keep away from my talk page. Schwede66 09:01, 29 June 2016 (UTC)
Sorry, I was elsewhere. Did a sense of irritation show through in my note to you? Sorry about that. I do understand how influential you are. Best regards, Eddaido (talk) 09:53, 29 June 2016 (UTC)
If you want to consider some advice, then it might be a good idea for you to draft requests or replies in your sandbox, sit on it for a couple of hours or even a whole day, consider whether what you want to say is appropriate and when you conclude that it is, then action the item. Your personality is a bit hot-headed and this could be a good way of making your interactions with other editors more pleasant for them. Schwede66 18:23, 29 June 2016 (UTC)
Read through this above and look at my other interactions with you and just glance in the mirror my friend when seeking your problem. I find your terminal paragraph above really offensive. Eddaido (talk) 02:11, 30 June 2016 (UTC)
It was well-meant advice (certainly not intended to offend), but I see that it hasn't been taken on board yet. Schwede66 08:20, 30 June 2016 (UTC)

Hercules Robinson, 1st Baron Rosmead > John Mackenzie (missionary)[edit]

I really got to like John Mackenzie, who had no Wiki article :-) Stubby, but all I plan to do. (I've posted on Dsp13's page, where it was listed as requested.) Narky Blert (talk) 00:45, 30 June 2016 (UTC)

Good work. I've added to it ever so slightly and it's now start class. Schwede66 08:42, 30 June 2016 (UTC)
TY. Excellent extra reference, IMO that article now looks like an encyclopaedic article about a little-known but definitely-notable person. Narky Blert (talk) 23:47, 30 June 2016 (UTC)

The Signpost: 04 July 2016[edit]

The Signpost: 21 July 2016[edit]

Just to explain[edit]

With this edit, you inserted the phrase "the HMS Britomart". As "HMS" stands for "His Majesty's Ship", it is usual to omit the article, because "the His" reads awkward. --Pete (talk) 22:57, 26 July 2016 (UTC)

Skyring - that makes good sense. Thanks for the heads up. Schwede66 01:33, 27 July 2016 (UTC)

The Signpost: 04 August 2016[edit]

Good catch[edit]

Hi Schwede66

Thanks for catching[1] that glitch on Anne Judkins. It was indeed a mistake, due to a sorta glitch in HotCat that I forgot about :(
Now fixed[2]. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 21:18, 8 August 2016 (UTC)1

I thought that something must have gone wrong somewhere. Glad to be of service. Schwede66 23:14, 8 August 2016 (UTC)

Val Adams[edit]

The content you've added is trivial and will be irrelevant in about 1 hour at which point it should be removed. What is the point of adding it for such a short period of time? DerbyCountyinNZ (Talk Contribs) 01:32, 13 August 2016 (UTC)

The Signpost: 18 August 2016[edit]

Talk:The Naked and Famous discography[edit]

Talk:The Naked and Famous discography needs to be reassessed. --Jax 0677 (talk) 15:29, 24 August 2016 (UTC)

Edt summary[edit]

"The moa is extinct"? ;) Grutness...wha? 07:17, 2 September 2016 (UTC)

Wot? You didn't get it? You wrote "moajority"... Schwede66 07:50, 2 September 2016 (UTC)
Yup - I got it, hence the smiley! Grutness...wha? 23:38, 2 September 2016 (UTC)
I see. Your note was maybe as obscure as my humour / edit summary. Schwede66 23:39, 2 September 2016 (UTC)

Burnside High School is lack of your pictures[edit]

Hi there! I'm writing an article about Burnside High School in russian. Could you help me, please? Specifically, I'm looking for a picture of symbolic Burnside High School's cabbage tree spot. Would you like to take a shot and upload it to Commons, please? I'll appreciate your help! Thanks! --Voyagerim (talk) 15:53, 5 September 2016 (UTC)

Hi there! Despite some pictures of BHS were kindly uploaded by CHCBOY‎, the article Burnside High School still needs your pictures too (cuz that historical cabbage tree stand growing in the grounds of Burnside High School still hasn't a picture under free CC license:) Thanks! --Voyagerim (talk) 18:38, 12 September 2016 (UTC)
@Voyagerim: Looks like you are writing a book rather than an article about Burnside High. Wow! Did you go to school there? When you upload photos, like the historic shot of the cabbage tree, could you please upload them to Wikimedia Commons? That way, we can use them for across all WP language projects. Schwede66 05:17, 18 September 2016 (UTC)
Lol. Nope, I didn't go to that school nor any other (at NZ). I've written series of articles about NZ following red links from the article 2010 Canterbury earthquake (I've extended it a bit in ruwiki and made the feature article). So, BHS was one of them, and I've got this topic for my current research. Somehow miraculously I've got in touch with sir Paul O'Connor - then Head of Historic Department of school, and he was so kind and send me his book "Choosing the Right Path: Burnside High School 1960-2010" dedicated for school's fiftieth anniversary. So, I use this book with pleasure and take some facts from it for the article. That's the story :)
Pictures: unfortunately, I can't, cuz those pictures aren't free but ruwiki alllows to use'em as fair-use whereas commons doesn't allow to upload it. No any ppl from school except mr.O'Connor has answered to my requests by e-mail, and only few NZealanders have taken some pictures of Burnside High School under a free CC License, which already have been uploaded to Commons. Please, if you have an opportunity, could you take a shot of Burnside High School cabbage tree, growing in the grounds of Burnside High School, please? I'll pay you a million. Thanks! --Voyagerim (talk) 07:52, 18 September 2016 (UTC)
Ahem. We don't do paid editing on Wikipedia, do we? :) Yes, I will go past during the day one day. It'll happen. Schwede66 07:59, 18 September 2016 (UTC)
Thank you a lot! --Voyagerim (talk) 08:02, 18 September 2016 (UTC)
@Voyagerim: I've now been at the school during daytime, so some more photos are on Commons. Schwede66 01:04, 6 November 2016 (UTC)
Amazing! Great job! Thank you very much! --Voyagerim (talk) 08:27, 6 November 2016 (UTC)

The Signpost: 06 September 2016[edit]

Wikipedia event at UC, Sunday 18 Sept.[edit]

Hi Schwede, how are you? How are you enjoying the wild weather this week? :-) The Uni Feminist Society is putting together a conference next weekend and they would like to have a session about Wikipedia and a bit of a workshop on how to edit. Are you available to come out and help? It was great having you at the other event! It will be on Sunday 18th at the university, I will get a more exact time in the next day or so. Cheers, MurielMary (talk) 11:55, 9 September 2016 (UTC)

MurielMary Sure. Let me know the time. Schwede66 18:40, 12 September 2016 (UTC)
Great! I think it is 10am to 11.30am, will confirm room/location. Cheers! MurielMary (talk) 20:25, 12 September 2016 (UTC)
Catsandthings is organising the meet-up and seems to have hit a roadblock - the university's IP address is blocked for editing as it's an institution. She has requested that the ban be lifted. I think we should have a back-up plan if the ban can't be lifted and we can't actually edit on the day. What else could we do? Presentation about some aspect of WP and how the feminist group can use it to expand the knowledge base of women etc etc? Hmmmmm. MurielMary (talk) 10:02, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
Meet up page here. I will tidy up the editing guide this week. MurielMary (talk) 10:04, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
@Gadfium: Could the block be temporarily lifted for this event? Schwede66 10:05, 13 September 2016 (UTC)

@Kudpung and Ritchie333: I see that Gadfium is on holiday. Could one of you guys help out and advise? Schwede66 21:37, 13 September 2016 (UTC)

What university? What IP? I'll look into this now if I can have some details.Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 21:44, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
Sorry; UC wouldn't mean much to non-New Zealanders. That's the University of Canterbury, and if is right, the IP address is But there's no such WP user. MurielMary and Catsandthings, do you know more? Schwede66 22:18, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
I just messaged with Catsandthings and she says that the IP ban appears to already have been lifted as she can edit from uni without the "ban" message appearing on the screen. However another question is, would the limit of 6 new users per IP also have been lifted? MurielMary (talk) 23:08, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
MurielMary, I've just had a look at Catsandthings' contributions and she has not requested for this ban to be lifted through editing Wikipedia. Now I'm assuming that it is WP that has imposed the ban, and not the university. Is she aware of that? The ban would apply to anons; once you register for an account, you should be all good. Or is the university blocking access to WP somehow? I suggest that we get to the bottom of this, as there would be nothing more annoying than turning up on the day and it's not a happening thing. Schwede66 23:38, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
  • That IP is not blocked and has no records of having edited Wikipedia. Any access restrictions must have been imposed by the university LAN supervisor. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 01:59, 14 September 2016 (UTC)

I put in a request through Phabricator as a Wikimedia-Site-requests as per the 'how to run an editathon' on Wikipedia's page about it. They marked it as resolved, so I'm hoping that it works. The event is running on both Saturday the 17th and Sunday the 18th from 11:00-12:30 at the university. I'm giving a brief talk at the start on the lack of diversity. Appreciative of any assistance! It will be in the computer lab for those who don't bring laptops. Catsandthings (talk) 09:25, 15 September 2016 (UTC)

Hi Catsandthings, sorry I didn't realise it was running both days. I'm only available to come on the Sunday. Where is the computer lab? I suspect if I bring a laptop I won't be able to log on to the UC network as I'm neither staff nor student? MurielMary (talk) 11:10, 15 September 2016 (UTC)
Just FYI Schwede that the event is at Kirkwood Village (part of the UC campus, on Kirkwood Avenue). The village has lettered blocks, and the conference is using KD block. Not sure which room number in that block the WP workshop will be in, but the blocks aren't large so it shouldn't be a problem to wander around and find it. MurielMary (talk) 10:51, 16 September 2016 (UTC)
Aaah just looked at the conference programme and the wp workshop is listed as in KC01 computer lab. So that would be block KC, next to block KD. MurielMary (talk) 11:03, 16 September 2016 (UTC)
@Catsandthings: I'll show up on Saturday. Schwede66 19:10, 16 September 2016 (UTC)
How did it go today? Any tips for Sunday? MurielMary (talk) 04:49, 17 September 2016 (UTC)
Catsandthings did a very fine job with her presentation. Only three attendees, and one of those was quite chatty but wasn't interested in actually editing. So that part didn't happen, but with a different group, it may pan out differently. Have fun! Schwede66 05:10, 17 September 2016 (UTC)
How did today go, MurielMary? Schwede66 05:17, 18 September 2016 (UTC)
Good session on Sunday, 9 participants and several made accounts and started editing. I've updated the meetup page with user names and articles worked on. There was an issue with the "6 new accounts per IP rule" and some of the group have to wait 24 hours for their account to be activated. I'm not sure if that rule can also be requested to be waived for an edit a thon, but it's something to bear in mind for the future. For our first event, we encouraged people to make accounts before they came to the event, so it wasn't an issue that time around. For the new editors, I was thinking of posting a welcome message on their user talk page - I got one with a pic of a plate of cookies and some useful links. Is that a template? Was it from a bot? Or do we need to do that manually? MurielMary (talk) 17:55, 18 September 2016 (UTC)
Good to hear. The welcome message is a template, usually delivered using Twinkle, but manual posting will do: {{Welcome-personal}} Schwede66 18:15, 18 September 2016 (UTC)

Mayor of Thames-Coromandel[edit]

It's a start, but definitely not my finest work. Any idea where I could get some more comprehensive sources? Mattlore (talk) 00:03, 25 September 2016 (UTC)

When I previously got stuck with mayoral lists, I wrote to the local library or museum. That at least gives a list of names and year ranges. From there, you can much more easily go backwards and look for online sources. Schwede66 00:08, 25 September 2016 (UTC)

The Signpost: 29 September 2016[edit]

The Signpost: 14 October 2016[edit]


Hi Schwede, I’ve just been having another look at your entry at WP:ORCP. It may well be time for you to take a serious decision now. Let me know what you think. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 05:47, 17 October 2016 (UTC)

@Kudpung: The ball is in my court working through a couple of issues. I'll get onto that and see whether it can be resolved. Schwede66 06:36, 17 October 2016 (UTC)

My ORCP[edit]

Thanks for providing your input. I knew I would fail if I ran at that time, so I'll probably try another ORCP again once I've created many more articles. —MRD2014 (talkcontribs) 20:51, 26 October 2016 (UTC)

Year in New Zealand articles[edit]

I'm just bringing consistency to the articles, which mostly just had the New Zealand monarchs name mentioned. GoodDay (talk) 17:38, 2 November 2016 (UTC)

Please use an edit summary to explain what you are doing. Schwede66 17:44, 2 November 2016 (UTC)
Cool. GoodDay (talk) 17:57, 2 November 2016 (UTC)
Much appreciated. Thank you. Schwede66 17:58, 2 November 2016 (UTC)

Template talk:Marriage[edit]

Can you move your opinion at "Template talk:Marriage" to the official !vote section of the RFC. It is now a more formal vote of the three options. Thanks! --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 22:02, 3 November 2016 (UTC)

The Signpost: 4 November 2016[edit]

Mayors of Whanganui[edit]

Please could you assist with updating the title of the "Mayors of Wanganui" article? Riverviewhouse (talk) 00:56, 10 November 2016 (UTC) oops, should be Mayor of Whanganui — Preceding unsigned comment added by Riverviewhouse (talkcontribs) 00:59, 10 November 2016 (UTC)

Done. Sorry, have been away for a few days. Schwede66 07:37, 14 November 2016 (UTC)

November 2016 earthquake[edit]

Just read about it. Hoping you are ok. --Rosiestep (talk) 17:09, 14 November 2016 (UTC)

Yes, all is good. We are about 100 km away from the epicentre, which is heaps in terms of earthquakes, as evidenced by not a single thing falling over at our place. Thanks for your concern. Schwede66 17:35, 14 November 2016 (UTC)

New Page Review needs your help[edit]

Hi Schwede66,

As an AfC reviewer you're probably aware that a new user right has been created for patrolling new pages (you might even have been granted the right already, and admins have it automatically).

Since July there has been a very serious backlog at Special:NewPagesFeed of over 14,000 pages, by far the worst since 2011, and we need an all out drive to get this back down to just a few hundred that can be easily maintained in the future. Unlike AfC, these pages are already in mainspace, and the thought of what might be there is quite scary. There are also many good faith article creators who need a simple, gentle push to the Tea House or their pages converted to Draft rather than being deleted.

Although New Page Reviewing can occasionally be somewhat more challenging than AfC, the criteria for obtaining the right are roughly the same. The Page Curation tool is even easier to use than the Helper Script, so it's likely that most AfC reviewers already have more than enough knowledge for the task of New Page Review.

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User group: New Page Reviewr[edit]

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ArbCom Elections 2016: Voting now open![edit]

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NZ electorate link template[edit]

Shall we use the dab "(New Zealand electorate)" for Maori electorates? An answer would be appreciated. J947 05:36, 22 November 2016 (UTC)

Well, this needs a wider discussion. It's not up to me, but I'd be in favour of it. Schwede66 07:04, 22 November 2016 (UTC)

New Challenge for Oceania and Australia[edit]

Hi, Wikipedia:WikiProject Oceania/The 10,000 Challenge and Wikipedia:WikiProject Australia/The 5000 Challenge are up and running based on Wikipedia:The 10,000 Challenge which has currently produced over 2300 article improvements and creations. The Australia challenge would feed into the wider region one and potentially New Zealand could have a smaller challenge too. The main goal is content improvement, tackling stale old stubs and important content and improving sourcing/making more consistent but new articles are also welcome if sourced. I understand that this is a big goal for regular editors, especially being summertime where you are, but if you'd like to see large scale quality improvements happening for Oceania and Australia like The Africa Destubathon, which has produced over 1700 articles in 5 weeks, sign up on the page. The idea will be an ongoing national editathon/challenge for the region but fuelled by a series of contests to really get articles on every province and subject mass improved. The Africa contest scaled worldwide would naturally provide great benefits to Oceania countries, particularly Australia and attract new editors. I would like some support from existing editors here to get the Challenges off to a start with some articles to make doing a Destubathon worthwhile and potentially bring about hundreds of improvements in a few weeks through a contest! Cheers.♦ --MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 02:12, 24 November 2016 (UTC)

The Signpost: 4 November 2016[edit]

New Page Review - newsletter[edit]

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BBC 12-hour Editathon - large influx of new pages & drafts expected[edit]

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BBC 12-hour Editathon - large influx of new pages & drafts expected[edit]

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