Talk:Liposuction

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Uses/ Please give specific explanation for why valid information about increase in insulin resistance with a good source was undone. Thank you.[edit]

Under the USES section, the last line says, "Liposuction does not help obesity related metabolic disorders like insulin resistance.'

I added the following:

and in fact a study in Brazil in 2013 concluded that "insulin resistance shows a significant increase in liposuction, and is correlated to the volume of aspirated fat..." I gave this study listed just below as a valid source of the information.

Oliveira S de S, Cibantos JS, Ripari WT, Aguilar-Nascimento JE de. 2013. Impact of the aspirated volume of fat tissue in the insulin resistance after liposuction. Rev Col Bras Cir 40:17–22.

The change was undone by Jytdog. I have read the definitions of primary and secondary sources. This is a good source, and I would appreciate a specific explanation as to why this valid information was removed from the page.

Here, (below), is the I the revision and undo revision from September 19, 2017

(cur | prev) 06:57, 20 September 2017‎ Juliet Sabine (talk | contribs)‎ . . (27,695 bytes) (+612)‎ . . (→‎Uses: Someone had written that liposuction doesn't help insulin resistance, but this study shows it increase insulin resistance in the long-term.) (undo)

(cur | prev) 07:13, 20 September 2017‎ Jytdog (talk | contribs)‎ . . (27,083 bytes) (-612)‎ . . (Undid revision 801531905 by Juliet Sabine (talk) primary source; we don't use them per MEDRS. Please see WP:MEDDEF for definitions of primary and secondary) (undo | thank)

Thank you. Juliet Sabine (talk) 22:44, 20 September 2017 (UTC) Juliet Sabine, September 20, 2017

This is a small primary source[1] Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 03:57, 21 September 2017 (UTC)

1) I did read the page. 2) I used this source ~ Oliveira S de S, Cibantos JS, Ripari WT, Aguilar-Nascimento JE de. Impact of the aspirated volume of fat tissue in the insulin resistance after liposuction. Rev Col Bras Cir. 2013 Feb;40(1):17–22. Juliet Sabine (talk) 23:47, 21 September 2017 (UTC)Juliet Sabine, September 21, 2017

Great so all is settled than. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 23:52, 21 September 2017 (UTC)

How is it settled? This is a good source, but the contribution to the page was undone. Thank you Juliet Sabine (talk) 00:55, 22 September 2017 (UTC)

PMID 23538534 is a primary source. It is not OK per MEDRS. Jytdog (talk) 01:10, 22 September 2017 (UTC)
You said you had read WP:MEDRS so I assumed Juliet that you know you need to use review articles. That is NOT a review article. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 01:13, 22 September 2017 (UTC)
As a new editor here, there is learning curve. I have read the whole Wikipedia: Plain and simple guide for medial editors, several times. I appreciate the help. At this point, I'm assembling my references and will check though them before posting. Juliet Sabine (talk) 08:38, 22 September 2017 (UTC)

History[edit]

There is a statement in the history section that says, "Overall, the advantages of 30 years of improvements have been that more fat cells can more easily be removed, with less blood loss, less discomfort, and less risk," however, removing more cells creates more long-term negative outcomes and risk. Fat, of course, is an important endocrine organ. I would like to add this information:

An article in the Anesthesiology News, “As Liposuction Deaths Mount, Study Exposes Cracks in Safety,” states that a quarter-century after the nation's plastic surgeons received what amounted to carte blanche to perform liposuction, a new analysis suggests that the procedure is no safer than it was back then. http://www.anesthesiologynews.com/ViewArticle.aspx?ses=ogst&d_id=1&a_id=21743

I'm trying to figure out which paragraph to add this to.

Thank you,

Juliet Sabine (talk) 00:53, 22 September 2017 (UTC)

The source does not comply with MEDRS. You will save us all a lot of time if you take the time to understand what is OK per MEDRS. Jytdog (talk) 01:09, 22 September 2017 (UTC)
Yes, there is a learning curve to editing Wikipedia. Thank you. Juliet Sabine (talk) 07:50, 22 September 2017 (UTC)

Sources[edit]

The source for number nine leads to a defunct page.
The source for number fifteen leads to the Yahoo main page.

How would I remove these? Thank you. Juliet Sabine (talk) 07:53, 22 September 2017 (UTC)

Complications - puncture[edit]

Puncture of an internal organ: since the surgeon cannot see the cannula, sometimes it damages an internal organ, such as the intestines during abdominal liposuction. Such damage can be corrected surgically, although in rare cases it can be fatal. An experienced cosmetic surgeon is unlikely to puncture any internal organ.
The above is an incorrect and misleading statement. The damage cannot always be corrected, and there are plenty of unskillful plastic or cosmetic surgeons who have been in practice for a long time.
An article in the Anesthesiology News, “As Liposuction Deaths Mount, Study Exposes Cracks in Safety,” states that a quarter-century after the nation's plastic surgeons received what amounted to carte blanche to perform liposuction, a new analysis suggests that the procedure is no safer than it was back then. http://www.anesthesiologynews.com/ViewArticle.aspx?ses=ogst&d_id=1&a_id=21743 Juliet Sabine (talk) 08:33, 22 September 2017 (UTC)
Doc James and I have advised you several times about what reliable sources are for content about health. Wikipedia content is built solely from reliable sources. Jytdog (talk) 13:35, 22 September 2017 (UTC)
We even have a box at the top of this page that helps you find them. This is the link.[2] Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 19:31, 22 September 2017 (UTC)