Talk:List of Neo Arcadian boss characters

Zero 4 Boss construction

I have discovered a script for Megaman Zero 4. Scrits usually help draw character analysis's on Boss charcters; so anyone interested in filling up the empty spots on the Megaman Zero4 section might want to take a look. The link is here:here. - Zero 19:08 13 November 2005

Aside from an english script, there is a full Rockman Zero 4 translation online: here. Due to also having the Zero4 manual handy, I think I could fill in some bits here and there. -Zan Sidera-

• Lovely . -Zero 18:10, November 13, 2005

Fenrir Lunaedge

Where'd that information about Lunaedge being a former Commander during the Maverick Wars come from? In fact, where'd that information about him being alive during the time of the Eurasia crash come from? Wolf ODonnell 20:27, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

Don't know...I think User Zan made that edit, correct..? He has various resources not avalible to us, it very possible he got that information...and I think I saw that information somewhere else, though I can't confirm it....I suggest we just let it alone for now until proven otherwise. Also, I've finished drafts for the Z4 characters; I'm going to fill those in shortly. Lastly, one more thing- Wolf, you seem to spend a lot of time on Megaman Network, can you try speaking to Tim or Reeve about me filling in the missing character Bios..? I e-mailed them, but no answer. -MegamanZero 23:26, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

Nope, not possible, because I don't spend a lot of time there. They probably wouldn't even know who I am. Wolf ODonnell 11:10, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

Weil and Hachishinkan

Please do not put back the flawed information about Dr. Weil back into the MMZ3 Boss Character Bios. The newly altered information more closely reflects that given in the Japanese Rockman Zero 3 Instruction Booklet and is thus canonical information. Previous information was half-canonical or had been reworded incorrectly to give a completely different meaning. Wolf ODonnell 11:18, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

Devilbat Schilt?

I don't remember Hellbat Schilt ever being called Devilbat. Which version are we talking about? Wolf ODonnell 17:51, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

Somebody has told me that the US version of Megaman Zero 3 has Hellbat being called Devilbat in it. The strange thing is that the European version still retains the name, Hellbat. Wolf ODonnell 11:39, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

Hell the Giant

I've completed a section on Hell the Giant, but I have yet to confirm the info about what he says in Japanese. I remember reading somewhere that what he says in the game, in Japanese, roughly translates to "Zero, is that you?" However, I have been unable to relocate the source for this and the info needs confirmation. I'm sure that the source I found was accurate, but I do need verification. If someone can help me with that, I'd be very grateful. Wolf ODonnell 11:18, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

When?

When did this article become an bloody caraveat for original research and poorly written summeries...? After I finish upon the List of Mavericks and finish inserting images in this article, I'm going to go nucleur on it. -Zero^Talk 14:55, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

Done. I daresay this is what I envisioned when I first constructed the article. -Zero^Talk 15:25, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

You've... deleted the stuff about Hell the Giant. I was so close to finding the source that helped me identify what the Mechaniloid says in the game, and you delete the entry? Wolf ODonnell 19:57, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

Gosh, I'm sorry. My real goal was to evicerate the non-notable mechanaloids accumalating in the article. However Hell the Giant seems notable, and I think it a bit unfair how I removed it without you completing it. Please feel free to replace it whenever you're comfortable. -Zero^Talk 20:16, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

Gender Confusion

Someone has been coming to this article and screwing around with the gender pronouns of each character. Firstly, Chilldre is a guy. Poler is a guy. Kyubit is also a guy, but I'm leaving his bio for now until I can confirm for real that he is one. Wolf ODonnell 14:39, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

I agree with the revert. I believe Kyubit is female, but the other two are iffy. The majority of sources declare them males (however the instruction booklet cites Polar kamarus as a female). -Zero^Talk 14:44, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

I remember reading somewhere, however, that Kyubit is male, despite his looks. I'm not sure whether he was referred to as a he in the Telos Soundtrack or whether it was some other source. It might have been the drama tracks in the Telos CD. Wolf ODonnell 16:00, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

• Coming upon the article today I noticed Foxtar's pronouns are female, I distinctly recall that Kyubit is a feminine male, since he/she's based off a kitsune. Not sure though, that was ages ago. - Zero1328 08:18, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

Well its a messy situation. But in the case of gender confusion such as this the assumption of female is preferable, as no one has provided a sourced link to depict otherwise. Following suit, making logical observations is done by default. -Zero^Talk 08:26, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

Yes, I found the post in the Megaman Network forums, but all it refers to is some mysterious "other sources" that state that all the Hachishinkan are male. Don't worry, though, I'm following the lead. Soon I will be able to confirm the details, I hope. Wolf ODonnell 10:51, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

Its odd because unlike the X series where all the maverick scum I fought were all male (Stereotypical designers!). this new series introduces some female characters, which is lovely, but means as far as analysis, we have only our wits to go by. -Zero^Talk 13:17, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

I've reviewed Telos, and it does indeed state that, due to his Kitsune heritage, Foxtar is male but acts feminine. I don't have a scan of the specific page as the copy of Telos was not my own, but if needed I will attempt to obtain it. It is written in Japanese, though, so many people won't be able to read it. I also must state that, if I recall correctly, Capcom of Japan DID release a statement reading that Foxtar's gender was male, though I can't produce a source on this. --LordHuffNPuff 13:50, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

It is absolutely impeccable that we locate said sources. I only wish to keep the gender of Foxtar female as long as we do not have confirmation. -Zero^Talk 13:59, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

Well them, I will try as hard as I can to secure a scan. However, the general feeling here seems to be that he's male, even without sources. Wouldn't it be more logical to have him male until it's disproven--LordHuffNPuff 14:04, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

Yup, I've been told by Zan Sidera that it is in one of the pages of the Telos Booklet. LordHuffNPuff, would it be possible just to give us the page number and the proper title of the booklet? We can put it in the reference section, with the Foxtar entry linked to that reference. Wolf ODonnell 18:07, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

Telos booklet doesn't have page numbers, but if you count the front cover as page one then it would be on page 5, under the description of the track Cold Smile, number 25 on the Créer disc.

Great! So what exactly is the booklet's proper name? Wolf ODonnell 10:24, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

Wait, who beat me to it? Blast! Oh well, the Telos Booklet's name, as far as I know, is "TELOS" just like the CD. It's all one package. I'll still try to get the scan.--LordHuffNPuff 12:15, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

Cruft

I strongly believe the inclusion of the "Inspiration" bits to be positively inane and unnecessary. Its quite obvious given the the shape of the artwork what the Neo Arcadian is based off of. If need-be, please integrate said information into the pre-exsisting pharagraphs. -Zero^Talk 15:36, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

• I'm inclined to disagree. In my opinion, having that at the end of each boss' description is a nice extra, as not every person is as well-versed in the ins and outs of other cultures. It will almost certainly help these people to understand the inspiration better.--LordHuffNPuff

I'm not saying it shouldn't be present. I'm advocating they be merged into the pharagraphs to make the article flow better. -Zero^Talk 04:39, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

It seems to flow fine to me, as they are all organized the same way. It's also easier to go and pick out just the inspiration for each character, instead of having to read through each biography. --LordHuffNPuff 14:59, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

• Oh I'm fine with it now. There's some minor clean-up and cosmetics to be looked into though. -Zero^Talk 15:05, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

Mega Man Zero 4 personality section

I'm going to rewrite every one of those bios asap. They're simply awful. -Zero^Talk 15:40, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

• If you would like, I can help some. They don't match the others at all, and some of the information seems dodgy. I'm not as familliar with the RMZ4 Remastered Tracks as I am with the RMZ3 ones though, so if somebody could confirm all that information, I would be filled with gratitude. -LordHuffNPuff 21:46, May 21, 2006

Thanks, but I've completed the rewrite. I've also returned and altered some of the inspiration sections in line with proper citations. Finally, I bulleted each sub-section in the character bios to keep everything neat and easily accessible. The previous version had anonymous editors merely flinging text to and froh in the sections. -Zero^Talk 17:04, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

Gender issues revisited

I once again was forced to fix Foxtar's gender, as somebody had gone through and changed it to female. Hopefully this won't happen again, but if it does we may need to add a notice citing the TELOS booklet.--LordHuffNPuff 14:59, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

Looking in the history, it was 67.41.120.211 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log). Thanks for catching that. -Zero^Talk 15:03, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

If I may throw in my two cents here, I think that such a citation of TELOS ought to be included here and now. However, to my knowledge there is not an official translation of that particular part of TELOS (if I knew of one I would have added it already). Is there one out there? -Some Guy

Revision Issue

To Zero, and later, anyone who wish to actually revise any article.

Please. If you wish to revise an article, at the very least read the version differences first. And then see if the newer article is more informative or less, and fix accordingly.

Sincerely - Wakipudeo

How dare you claim such presumption. All the editors that reverted you on the respective version read and kept your contructive additions in the action of the partial revert. In the new version, you continually insert such nonsense such as "Unknown" in the bios of Panter Flauclaws and Blizzack Staggroff inspiration header, when its visually and clearly obvious the designs were lifted from a panther and an stag. You also insist upon the redundancy of giving the inspiration section to Anubis when the personality already states as such (The myth of Anubis is a common one amoung the english community). -Zero^Talk 15:54, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

And if it is indeed that obvious, wouldn't it be a bit better that it is left in the readers' mind instead of just adding a bit of common knowledge? But very well, I may change my mind and keep them for the sake of referrals. Another thing: you complain about those 'unknown' things, yet you seem to love it that you remove better information such as linguistical references. Oh, and about Anubis, just because the section Asura Basura doesn't have Personality section on it, doesn't mean disorder is a preference. - Wakipudeo

Well I'm still just a little bit mystified. Are you trying to build a fan-site article or one for a general audiance...? I think after the the note of two mechanaloids, the reader gets the impression they don't have anything to analyze. Knowing when to cut the obvious and come to the conclusion the reader isn't stupid is essential to the building of an encyclopedia. -Zero^Talk 16:16, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

I see now. It seems I have been so mistakenly thought you have a sliver of intelligence. This will be my last word on you. Farewell.
Oh, and to the one with IP 68.193.163.229, I hereby apologize that you got unecessarily dragged into this.
- Wakipudeo -

Random Bandom: keep or compile?

I wonder if the section Random Bandom can be left here or made into a compilation like how you made a compilation of the Bio-Devil, considering that Random Bandom is based on the old Rangda Bangda, which has appeared only twice so far (I may be mistaken). what do you think?

- Wakipudeo -

I made the article Bio-Devil because its an extremely common and notable enemy across various Mega Man series. Random Bandom and Rangda Bangda are completely non-notable. They don't even contribute to the storyline. See WP:FICT for information. -Zero^Talk 09:06, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

If your goal is to make me eat my words, you win.

Here's a question: how do Hittide Hottide, Orochi-Arm Metalcore, Asura Basura and Hel the Giant contribute to the storyline? If they don't, why do you keep them in your, so-called, revision? If they do, then of course andom Bandom contribute to as well, being a boss who wants to stop your progress.

- Wakipudeo -

Okay. In defense, I retain only a few mechanloids because its a suitible to the reader. Would you rather have me change the title to "Some mechanloids"...? Becasue making a complete list is not suitible to the content we permit at wikipedia. The mechanloids there are present to give the reader an idea of what they are and how they're dealt with. That's it. This isn't a fan site. -Zero^Talk 09:19, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

I already know that you keep only a select few because they are important bosses, not just mid-bosses which are abundant especially in later games. That, I can agree. That is why, either you keep Random Bandom (as well as all changes you always erase), or kick all the mechaniloids away. End of story.

- Wakipudeo -

No. I told you why. Please don't misconstrue my comment as if I'm playing favorites. If that were true, I would place the dark-elf Pantheon in the list. You're trolling and you decending the article into disrepute. Keep it up and you're getting a block. -Zero^Talk 09:28, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

And you keep your attitude and you'll deprive everyone of certain useful references such as linguistical references. Besides, I did tell you I can already take it that you don't include mini-bosses in the list (though they may deserve small spots without informations such as History or Personality). Like I said, read first. Clear?

- Wakipudeo -

So, um...You're reverting because you don't believe us to have read your revision..? We have, and its not suitible. And please don't revert if you're discussing article changes on a talkpage as its now considered vandalism. You have other, productive edits, so I really would not appreciate you getting a block.

This isn't a blog where you can drop whatever you please. Its wikipedia, a general encyclopedia intented for mainstream usage. Learn that and you'll become a successful editor. -Zero^Talk 09:52, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

Wow, such thing coming out from you... how amazing.

Anyway, who are the 'we' you speak of? So far only two of us are in the latest history page (and trust me, I don't like it), along with the one I apologized to, whose beneficial changes you erase indiscriminately as well (not to mention you accused him as being me). And you said you have read my changes/revisions. Just answer these question: How many readers do you think speak all languages? How many are aware about the different names of things they actually know?

And what is Wikipedia actually? My knowledge about Wikipedia is a place to share knowledge, not to keep it to a certain few. If you call that wrong, fine, be it your point.

- Wakipudeo -

Well you've stopped reverting to discuss and I thank you for that.

The we I speak of are Zero1328 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log), LordHuffNPuff (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) and Rtkat3 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log). Long before you established an account, we already made a concensus to not include everything under the sun. That's not how wikipedia works. This is isn't Planet Mega Man or Mega Man Network where every boss or character gets a piece of the pie. If that were the case we wouldn't have a policy against it.

Your view on wikipedia is misled. Wikipedia is a place to share knowledge. That doesn't include every piece of information we fans think should be present deserves to be here. As for your revision, I'm not quite sure about what you're asking of me. What does languages have to do between the revisions....? I left the examples of various edits conforming to bible references on the page. In your version, you insist upon removing data like, "Blizzack isn't based upon a stag and there's no biblical reference." That is because there isn't a biblical reference for every character. Some are cookie cutter and are based straight off of the animal kingdom, similar to how all mavericks in the X series were not all based off of the animals (X5 was based off of guns and roses and MMX Commmand Mission became more leniant toward humanoid designs). The refences at the bottom of the page verify this. If you wish to keep your revision, then you have to provide sources that say as such (the current refernces are not alligned with your version). There has to be a line cut somewhere. We don't include all the boss characters in wikipedia for the same reason we don't permitt articles for every person in the world- its not relevant. The mechaloid section simply says "This is a few summeries of mechanolids that appeared in the Zero series to give the reader a good idea of their general purpose". But we don't include a full list because that's redundant and crufty. This isn't that kind of website.-Zero^Talk 10:42, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

Hahaha. Fine, I'm out of here. Thanks for being honest that I am an enemy here. Goodbye.

- Wakipudeo -

I just finished making my version of the thing, I've attempted to mix them together, (but some still needs double checking) - Zero1328 _Talk? 11:02, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

Looks good. I'll do a copyedit. -Zero^Talk 11:05, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

I should've left a message BEFORE I worked on it, but what's done is done. anyway, here's the list of things that should be double checked:

• I don't know about any Little monkey helpers in the legend of Sun Wukong.
• "Tre" is italian for three, but I don't know what "testa" is.
• I don't know if "petros" is greek for Stone, I can't read greek. This is what came up in the machine translation of "stone": πέτρα

Zero1328 _Talk? 11:07, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

• "Testa" is a name change Capcom of America incited when Zero 3 was translated to english. The original "Tre" from the Japanese release is considered relevant. So, "tre" is three, conforming to his three heads.

• Nor do I. I'll remove it until a reference is provided.

• "petros" is latin, along the lines of "still" and "stationary". Its the partial origin of the english word petrify, as are many english terms gathered from greek and latin roots. -Zero^Talk 11:15, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

Warning

I've inquired politely to cease the endless insertions of Original research into the article, paticularly the inspiration sections. I log on every other day to see some random nonsense inserted, no source provided, and dubious claims abundant. I'm at my wits end, chaps. If the inspiration sections don't keep this stuff at a managable, plausible level, I'm advocating removing them. This is entirely unacceptable. See this for more clarification and the previous history. -Zero^Talk 10:02, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

I second this. Some of the stuff is rediculous.--LordHuffNPuff 23:21, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

Anchus or Anchortus?

Just exactly what is Herculious and Kuwagust's last name anyway? I always thought it was Anchortus and that Anchus was a typo in MMZ2. Could someone clear this up? Maetch 18:25, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Personally, I never ever remember seeing Anchortus anywhere, only Anchus…but "Anchortus" seems to be a better Romanization of the Japanese.—ウルタプ 00:55, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Anchortus was the last name Herculious used when he introduced himself in MMZ1. When Kuwagust appears in MMZ2, however, he goes by Anchus. Maetch 17:31, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Well, I guess we should be consistent with their respective games…unless Herculious is called Anchus in MMZ2 or 3? Because that would be retcon, we should follow that…—ウルタプ 23:56, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Either retcon or typo, I really don't know. I'll have to play through MMZ2 and check. Maetch 00:51, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Anubis' gender?

I have been hearing from a couple of places that Anubis is actually a female. The title 'NecromanCESS' also hints towards this. So, does anyone have indisputable proof of his gender?—Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.207.105.94 (talk • contribs)

Um...king of destruction? o.o;
Not really sure myself, since you bring it up..best proof I can think of.—ウルタプ 17:33, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Not entirely sure, but apparently, Capcom have released the Rockman Zero Complete Works in English. It's only on preorder from Amazon, however, so we need only wait a while. Hopefully, once someone gets their hands on it (I can't. It's not in my budget) they can sort out the gender issues which have been plaguing this article since its creation. Wolf ODonnell 14:23, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Please not the following: Anubis Necromancess' face appears male, the Egyptian god Anubis is male, he refers to himself as "King of Destruction" as stated above, and necromancers in general tend to be male. I think that the main reason why some people tend to think of Anubis as female is because of the large curved bulge on his upper torso. Note howwever that this extends all the way around his body, not only in the front. I think it's just ment to be part of his armour. Also I think the english version of Rockman Zero Complete Works is due to be released in May of this year. Hyper Z 04:24, 10 February 2007 (UTC)