Talk:Maratha–Mysore wars

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Disruptive editing

@Hookahlove Stop this disruptive editing, you are removing citations and well sourced material. Discuss before adding or removing next time. Shimlaites (talk) 09:43, 9 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

True data

Look at the references that have been pointed out. The non-neutral version by Shimlaites shows extreme bias and neglects historical facts. In reality, the peace agreement (sometimes called Treaty of Gajendragadh) had losses and gains on both sides. You can not neglect Mysore victories on the battle. The neutral version is more academic. Hookahlove (talk) 07:39, 10 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The current edit war

@Shimlaites and Hookahlove: You have been edit warring between the two of you for done days now, and with the requests at RFPP and ANI, it is verging on disruption. You are clearly on disagreement over a form of words. Can I suggest, as a way of moving forward, we divide it into two portions: first, lay out the facts as the reliable sources present them, over which you both agree; and then, discuss how you would both feel comfortable describing them. Can you do this, did you think? — O Fortuna^{velut luna} 08:14, 10 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for starting this discussion, @Fortuna Imperatrix Mundi: and @Shimlaites and Hookahlove: I'd welcome it if you could proceed like suggested above. If there is more edit-warring on the article, I will fully protect it. Ok...and keep it friendly, no ad-hominem attacks or sniping at each other, ok? Lectonar (talk) 08:23, 10 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

POV

@Hookahlove Stop adding your POV And your bias. You are removing sourced material and their citations. Discuss here, do not engage in blind reverts and discuss first. Shimlaites (talk) 09:10, 10 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Shimlaites: Please don't do this. An admin was pretty clear, above, that you are to discuss the issue without throwing loaded phrases and accusations around, particularly when you are equally responsible for the edit history. Cheers! — O Fortuna^{velut luna} 10:02, 10 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

But it is not me who started this whole reverting thing, User:Hookahlove did that, since 4 April, he has been doing it consistently. I even a left a message on his talk page and all I got was a copy-paste job regarding the message. He is removing citations, sourced material, adding his own POV among other things. I just pointed that out. Shimlaites (talk) 10:21, 10 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Shimlaites: Edit warring is edit warring; it's not about being the one who started it, or who is the guilty party. It always takes at least two to edit war. Lectonar (talk) 10:50, 10 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

User:Fortuna Imperatrix Mundi, Shimlaites, Lectonar, the Shimlaites version is biased and unfair. If you look at it, you will see that he only includes Maratha gains and whimsically changed the dates from June, 1787 [1] to April 1787 [2], which shows bias. If you look at the version I copied, it gives accurate information, showing the accurate figures with references and showing gains and losses on both sides. Hookahlove (talk) 03:26, 11 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Hookahlove No, you version is biased, it was you who removed factual data, figures and the citations backing them only to add trivial details which might suit your preference and POV. You didn't discuss any line or sentence and what was wrong with them, only removed them to add what you like. Read the citations provided, they all back the already existing content. You are new here, let me tell you, Wikipedia is not a place to put your POV but facts. Shimlaites (talk) 04:35, 11 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

And the date change was not "whimsical", it was on the basis of citations provided, which says the war ended in April 1787 not June 1787. Again, kindly bother to read the citations provided instead of causing disruption. Shimlaites (talk) 04:43, 11 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Shimlaites, looking at the actual data, the conclusion is clear that Mysore did indeed attain many gains in the treaty, including the fact that, Tipu would get all the places that they had captured in the war, including Gajendragarh and Dharwar and that Tipu would be referred to by the honorary title "Nabob Tipu Sultan". These gains must be included. The fact that Tipu Sultan wanted to consolidate his power to wage a war against the British is a fact that can not be denied. The 48 lakh figure was also the initial proposal, which was not agreed upon, the figure went down to 12 lakhs. See references [3] Hookahlove (talk) 04:12, 12 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Hookahlove Again, you are coming up with your POVs as facts. "The fact that Tipu Sultan wanted to consolidate his power to wage a war against the British is a fact that can not be denied..." This is a POV, not a fact. 12 lakh is the annual tribute which was to be paid by Tipu to the Marathas every year after the war, whereas 48 lakhs was the war cost obligation.here Tipu also paid 45 lakhs of outstanding tributary to the Marathas.See here Tipu was a smaller power than the Marathas, that is why he paid a tribute to the Marathas not the other way. It was a military stalemate but a bigger political victory fot he Marathas as Mysore under Tipu remained a tributary to the Marathas, even after the war. Shimlaites (talk) 05:15, 12 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Hookahlove Also, the source you are citing doesn't cover the treaty of Gajendragadh. Shimlaites (talk) 05:23, 12 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

You are changing the dates quite randomely, from June to April. This is insincere. The term "treaty of Gajendragadh" is not a term agreed upon by historians. There was a peace agreement, but more reputable sources do not refer to it by this name. The more accurate sources describe it for what it is, not a treaty, but a Mysore victory in war. Hookahlove (talk) 00:33, 9 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Tipu sultan and maratha yudh me tipu ki jeet hui thi Ahankaisp (talk) 19:59, 9 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Wrong information given in first para , tipu lost the war . Tipu paid tribute after defeat against Martha's , Victorious dosen't pay tribute to defeated party completely misleading information  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jobindox (talk • contribs) 07:54, 18 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Sources do not state any owner and Tipu only returned territories under consideration Maratha's respect his authority and acknowledged him as Nabob Tipu Sultan, Fateh Ali Khan. Anyway there is a high Maratha bias in India related articles, i urge people to be WP:Neutral, it was a stalemate and let that be acknowledged. Dilbaggg (talk) 17:42, 10 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Users may get confused there. The last military conflict between two parties was won by Mysore (Bahadur Benda). But Tipu Sultan came forward and negotiated for peace inorder to avoid conflict with the Marathas. It is evident from the source History and Culture of the Indian People vol 8 where it quotes that "Quite unexpectedly a settlement was reached in March 1787 at Gajendragarh between Tipu and the Marathas. This volte face is explained by the fact that the fear of British intervention lurked more in Tipu’s mind than the hostility of the Marathas, and he naturally desired to compromise with the latter. By this treaty the Marathas regained possession of Badami, Nargund and Kittur" So the result should be stalemate or peace treaty. The first comment on this thread contains original research. Imperial ^[AFCND] 15:53, 16 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

War ended in 1787

This is strictly about the Mysore vs Maratha war, the extended date till 1799 includes the Fourth Anglo-Mysore War in which Marathas just supported the British, but that was mainly between Britain and Mysore. However the war between Mysore and Marathas alone happened till 1787, and this article refers to the war between them alone!! Dilbaggg (talk) 13:35, 9 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Still it should be included maratha defeated tipu with British help in third Anglo Mysore war as well as in fourth Anglo Mysore war , secondly in a ner article Maratha-Nizam war war between alone maratha and nizam was ended in 1795 with maratha victory but it's nizam victory due to his presence in Third-Anglo Maratha war 103.215.114.4 (talk) 03:52, 5 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Do not try to mix another article with this. The conflicts between both parties here resulted a treaty, which favoured to Marathas. But here, we are using infobox for military conflict. Can't add '''Maratha victory''' here. See earlier discussions. Imperial ^[AFCND] 07:21, 5 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]