Talk:Marmen Quartet

This article was nominated for deletion on 1 November 2020. The result of the discussion was keep.

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Notability

Regarding the notability template - this quartet clearly meets Wikipedia's notability guideline no. 9 for musicians by having won not one, but two first prizes in major competitions - the Banff in particular is one of the most prestigious string quartet competitions in the world. The announcement is given in the references and I fail to see why the notability is being challenged. Hyperman 42 (talk) 22:52, 26 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Plus the Banff competition has its own Wikipedia page which mentions this quartet but the only link is to their webpage - so surely it makes sense to include a Wikipedia page on them and, again, clearly meets notability criteria. Hyperman 42 (talk) 23:00, 26 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hyperman 42, I did take the notability template off but actually having mulled it over, I'm not convinced and I'm going to put it back on. My main concerns are:

Points 8 & 9 of WP:BAND specify a major music award and I can't really see anything to demonstrate the "prestige" of the Banff award beyond that it has a Wikipedia article. Not enough to suggest that all 13 winners merit standalone articles, at least.
If they've won at least two major awards, there should be at least two pieces of third party coverage. As it stands, the only source is from the awarding body. WP:THREE is the usual acid test.
If only one of the awards is major, then that's only notability for WP:ONEEVENT.

If there really is genuine, independent (not the awarding body) coverage of this group, then I'd accept notability. But as it is, having received an award of dubious note isn't persuasive. --Paul ❬talk❭ 09:10, 29 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Well, this is a bit tricky, because there are only a very small number of classical string quartet competitions in the world and so it is a huge achievement to win any one of them, let alone two. For example, all the winners of the similar Wigmore Hall International String Quartet Competition since it was founded in 1979 are world-renowned ensembles, including Takacs Quartet, Hagen Quartet, Alexander Quartet, etc. All have since made many recordings, in fact there is an initial recording contract that goes with the first prize. The Banff competition is similarly regarded; I'm not sure about the Bordeaux, we would need to have a good critical knowledge of classical music to evaluate that. But it would be like saying that a pianist isn't "notable" because they have "only" won the Leeds or Tchaikovsky Piano Competitions - or that a football team isn't "notable" because they have only won the FA Cup (or Superbowl) once. In fact, once a group has won one of these major competitions, there is normally no need for them to enter any others because their status is assured. Hyperman 42 (talk) 18:55, 1 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Take a look at this independent source regarding the Banff competition, for example. [[1]]. I have actually now added this to the Banff SQC page as I agree that the previous list of references there did not adequately convey this. Hyperman 42 (talk) 18:57, 1 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Also see Dover Quartet for a past prizewinner clearly meriting a Wikipedia page; the Banff win cemented their career (and their performances can now be seen on YouTube). Hyperman 42 (talk) 19:01, 1 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The suggested deletion has produced a useful discussion on the deletion page on how to improve this article. Thanks to User: Francis Schonken for identifying various additional references and User: Mathsci for adding a selection along with other supporting material. These 5 additional sources now balance the quartet and Banff websites. Hopefully this will address both the deletion question and the other issues flagged up. Hyperman 42 (talk) 12:27, 2 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The article was Kept after discussion, which is at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Marmen Quartet; this also gives some additional references of potential interest. Hyperman 42 (talk) 22:19, 10 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]