Talk:Myotherapy

Myotherapy is more a general phrase than anything.

Myo = Muscle + therapy = muscle therapy, or more well known as massage therapy. I believe it would be inaccurate to claim these two words as some chiropractic method.

A great many therapist across many professions use her techniques. "TENS therapy, Dry needling, Stretching, Corrective exercises, Mobilisation, Cupping, Massage."

But mostly used by Massage Therapists.

I feel like "claiming" this phrase to be a chiropractic method or something of her creation to be very inaccurate. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Zaccarterlmt (talk • contribs) 05:47, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

It is my understanding as well that this method is more used by Massage Therapists. I am not a chiropractor but have been to a few in my life and did not have this method used on me. I do not think it is a method that is taught in chiropractic school formally although there may be some chiropractors who have studied this method. Joanna R. Williams (talk) 19:01, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

Although Bonnie Prudden coined the word "Myotherapy", it became a generic term used in Massage Therapy to describe a wide variety of techniques. Although Prudden's techniques became a springboard for other modalities, the term "myotherapy" no longer reflects the techniques used by Certified Bonnie Prudden Myotherapists. It would be inaccurate and unacceptable to Bonnie Prudden Myotherapists to merge this page with Bonnie Prudden's page. (Sandradirks (talk) 14:49, 18 March 2014 (UTC))

Looking in PUBMED it seems to be used exclusively to refer to an orthodontic technique. Prudden's "myotherapy" should be called "Bonnie Prudden Myotherapy" to distinguish it from mainstream usage. Alexbrn ^{talk|contribs|COI} 14:53, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

It would be an error to merge the Myotherapy Wiki page with the Bonnie Prudden Myotherapy section on the Bonnie Prudden Wiki page because Myotherapy as it is explained on the Wiki Myotherapy page is not the same thing as Bonnie Prudden Myotherapy. I think the Myotherapy page has created some confusion. It is true that Bonnie Prudden developed Myotherapy. Her friend Dr. Desmond Tivy coined the word Myotherapy and she liked it and used it. She has given him credit for coining this term in her books. The Myotherapy page creates confusion because it speaks to many modalities that Bonnie Prudden did not teach in her schools, in her books or in lectures. The Wiki Myotherapy page does have one sentence which says “ All modalities are used with the specific purpose of achieving a therapeutic outcome. None of these modalities were used by Bonnie Prudden, the developer of Myotherapy. She proposed only manual medicine”. However, it is easy to miss this one sentence when reading the Wiki Myotherapy page. The Wiki Myotherapy page makes an error in linking other modalities other than what Bonnie Prudden proposed and taught.. The Bonnie Prudden Institute registered the name Myotherapist as an occupation with the U.S. Department of Labor in 1984. The registry document states specifically what the Myotherapist does in this occupation. Many of the modalities listed on the Wiki Myotherapy page are not listed as part of these duties with the Department of Labor. Joanna R. Williams (talk) 15:11, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

The first sentence on the Wikipedia Myotherapy page states: "Myotherapy (or Bonnie Prudden Myotherapy) is a form of manual therapy" etc. Wiki should eliminate the text "(or Bonnie Prudden Myotherapy)" in this sentence. Myotherapy became a catch-all phrase after Bonnie developed the therapy. The word no longer means Bonnie Prudden Myotherapy ®. The word Myotherapy has become a generic term to cover a number of different treatment modalities that are used by a number of health professionals throughout the world. --Jivile Hunter ([[User talk:--Jivile Hunter (talk) 23:44, 6 April 2014 (UTC)Jivile Hunter|talk]]) 23:26, 6 April 2014 (UTC)

The History section on the Wiki Myotherapy page should be revised after the first word, "Myotherapy", to insert the text "(before it became a popular generic word)". --[[User:--Jivile Hunter (talk) 23:44, 6 April 2014 (UTC)Jivile Hunter]] 23:26, 6 April 2014 (UTC)

The term Myotherapy today has developed to refer to a host of treatment modalities that treat trigger point sites. Many of these modalities are listed on the Wiki Myotherapy page. Bonnie Prudden Myotherapy ® does not use these approaches to treat pain. Practitioners in the various organizations that use these modalities, for example, Physical Therapists who work for doctors, hospitals and re-hab centers, and who are trained with special courses to use dry needling, tens, & ultrasound, would not want to be listed on the Wiki Bonnie Prudden page. The same applies to nutritionists, manipulation Osteopathic doctors, or Chiropractors etc. --Jivile Hunter (talk) 23:26, 6 April 2014 (UTC)User: --Jivile Hunter (talk) 23:44, 6 April 2014 (UTC)Jivile Hunter

Merge proposal

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.

To not merge (on the grounds that there are forms of massage called Myotherapy which are explicitly not that of Bonnie Prudden; and the myotherapy is independently notable as an alternative therapy independent of Bonnie Prudden), to link through a hatnote to Bonnie Prudden#Bonnie Prudden Myotherapy and to provide a hatnote to the dental "(oral) myofunctional therapy"

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This article seems to be about "Bonnie Prudden Myotherapy" ... an altmed massage technique.

In mainstream medicine, myotherapy appears to be a synonym for "(oral) myofunctional therapy", a kind of muscle training technique used in dentistry.

This needs to be sorted out. It is proposed that the content here into be trimmed and merged into Bonnie Prudden. After that it should be possible to create "Myofunctional therapy" page that describes that orthodontic technique, and make Myotherapy a disambiguation page. Alexbrn ^{talk|contribs|COI} 08:19, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

Myotherapy is a generic term and is not Bonnie Prudden Myotherapy. This article should not be merged into Bonnie Prudden as it includes modalities which are not incorporated into Bonnie Prudden Myotherapy, a trademarked technique developed by Bonnie Prudden. (Sandradirks (talk) 14:53, 18 March 2014 (UTC))

Then where should material on mainstream/dental myotherapy appear? Alexbrn ^{talk|contribs|COI} 15:03, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

Concerning mainstream /dental myotherapy

You ask a good question I am not sure how this can be resolved.

In 1990 Bonnie Prudden trademarked the name Bonnie Prudden Myotherapy as confusion existed then about Myotherapy and what she actually taught. When she first taught her method she called it Myotherapy in the 1980's however she found that at some point some people were calling themselves Myotherapists when they had not been trained in Myotherapy and/or were doing other modalities that were not taught by Bonnie Prudden or listed as part of the job description under the Department of Labor definition of "Myotherapist" which was applied for by the Bonnie Prudden School of Myotherapy in 1984 and granted. I do not know if there is a Department of Labor classification under dental myotherapy. Joanna R. Williams (talk) 15:43, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

And that would just be in the USA anyway, I suppose? Alexbrn ^{talk|contribs|COI} 15:47, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

As per the Department of Labor maybe so, but I am not an authority on this.Joanna R. Williams (talk) 18:05, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

Bonnie Prudden Myotherapy ®is a registered service mark of Bonnie Prudden and thus Bonnie Prudden Myotherapy® wherever mentioned in Wiki should be followed by the registered trademark symbol. Wiki needs to use the word Bonnie Prudden Myotherapy® correctly on its Wiki page when referring to Bonnie Prudden's work, and not just the word Myotherapy, which does not apply to Bonnie's work or her definition, treatment protocols etc. Right now on the Wiki page, the word Myotherapy refers to everything else under the Definition section or the Modality section. To merge these sections into the Bonnie Prudden Wiki page, therefore, has no basis. ([[User talk:--Jivile Hunter (talk) 23:44, 6 April 2014 (UTC)Jivile Hunter|talk]]) 23:26, 6 April 2014 (UTC)

The Wiki Myotherapy page sets forth the Definition of Myotherapy. However, this is not the definition of Bonnie Prudden Myotherapy® which comes from Taber's Cyclopedic Medical Dictionary (see References #6 at bottom of Wiki Bonnie Prudden page). This definition states: "Bonnie Prudden Myotherapy®, is a method of relaxing muscle spasm, improving circulation and alleviating pain. To defuse "trigger points," pressure is applied to the muscle for several seconds by means of fingers, knuckles and elbows. The success of this method depends on the use of specific corrective exercise for the freed muscles. The method was developed by Bonnie Prudden in 1976." (Taber’s Cyclopedic Medical Dictionary) ([[User talk:--Jivile Hunter (talk) 23:44, 6 April 2014 (UTC)Jivile Hunter|talk]]) 23:26, 6 April 2014 (UTC)

The last topic on the Wiki Myotherapy page is Modalities. None of the Modalities listed on the Wiki Myotherapy page should be included on or merged with the Wiki Bonnie Prudden page. This section on the Wiki Myotherapy page starts out with the following sentence. "All modalities are used with the specific purpose of achieving a therapeutic outcome. None of these modalities were used by Bonnie Prudden, the developer of Myotherapy. She proposed only manual medicine." Since these Modalities were not used by Bonnie, they should not be merged with her Wiki page. --([[User talk:--Jivile Hunter (talk) 23:44, 6 April 2014 (UTC)Jivile Hunter|talk]]) 23:26, 6 April 2014 (UTC)

Bonnie Prudden Myotherapists have been certified by Bonnie Prudden to practice Bonnie Prudden Myotherapy®, as defined by Taber. They are not certified to practice any of the other modalities described in the Modalities section on the Wiki Myotherapy page. By doing so, they risk losing their Bonnie Prudden Myotherapy® Certification and State license, if their treatments incorporate some of the modalities listed under the Definition and Modalities sections on the Wiki Myotherapy page. This is a major reason why the Wiki Myotherapy page should not be merged with the Wiki Bonnie Prudden page.. ([[User talk:--Jivile Hunter (talk) 23:44, 6 April 2014 (UTC)Jivile Hunter|talk]]) 23:29, 6 April 2014 (UTC)

While the term myotherapy is used among a number of disciplines, it has clearly been associated with Bonnie Prudden since the early 1980s. She popularized it, created curicula for a specific method of using it and registered her own myotherapy techniques. Her registered techniques are published in copyrighted books of her own authoring and have Bonnie Prudden and myotherapy synonymous to the general public. In business terms she branded "myotherapy." Saying that, however, does not negate the argument that myotherapy, in its general sense of defintion, is practiced by many health care practitioners as well as lay people. So I find this argument to be relatively simple to resolve. Bonnie Prudden's registered form of myotherapy is distinct from other forms. It may be a type of myotherapy and could and should be noted in Wiki's myotherapy general section. However, it should also be highlighted and noted in greater detail in Wiki's entry on Bonnie Prudden. Having worked on the consumer advocacy side of health care for more than 45 years and knowing Bonnie Prudden personally for more than 30 years, I find this debate to be a matter of semantics rather than functionally helping to educate. Using the argument that would incorporate Bonnie Prudden's myotherapy programs into the general category of myotherapy is akin to arguing that the Mayo Clinic or the Cleveland Clinic should be part of the entry on "Clinic." Charles Inlander — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cinlander (talk • contribs) 19:11, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

I am a registered myotherapist practising in Australia. I confirm that myotherapy is an allied health profession with its own government accredited qualifications and curricula. In Australia it has no relationship at all with the Bonnie Prudden Myotherapy and as such this topic should not be integrated with it. In Australia, myotherapy has been a separate profession for approximately 25 years. It has its own two and three year qualifications (Advanced Diploma and Degree). It is recognised by most private health funds and by government. The profession consists of approximately 1000 individuals and the currcula is taught at in excess of 12 places in multiple states and territories. Myotherapists are included in Australian government legislation. The existence of Myotherapy, without reference Bonnie Prudden, is documented in multiple countries including Indonesia, Thailand, UK, Hong Kong, and the Philippines. References to the profession can be found in a range of different sources including newspaper and magazine articles, dictionaries, peer-reviewed journal articles, PhD theses, and multiple internet sites. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Llaineey (talk • contribs) 10:45, 3 June 2014 (UTC)

Great - what are these sources? Does one provide a good definition of what "myotherapy" is, for example? Alexbrn ^{talk|contribs|COI} 10:50, 3 June 2014 (UTC)

I think that Bonnie Prudden just needs her own article — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.237.194.168 (talk) 23:42, 17 January 2016 (UTC)

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References severely lacking

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