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Biased Sources

A lot of the claims in the article source American institutions such as the CIA. I understand this is an incredibly difficult topic to gather credible, unbiased information from and I don't think the solution is to use North Korean sources, but it doesn't sit right with me that the second or maybe even first biggest enemy of North Korea is constantly used as a source; especially considering America's false smear campaigns towards other countries in the past. Oranguru765 (talk) 04:05, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

The CIA World Factbook is cited for statistical data, on measurements such as GDP and division of labour. What alternate sources with similar data would you like other editors to take a look at? Yue🌙 05:17, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

@Yue The CIA portion was more so 1 example out of many, and if that example was erroneous I apologize but I don't think it takes away from the wider discussion. I saw other sources from US departments and institutions. I personally don't have any sources I know of that are unbiased and I think that's the problem; I don't personally think there should be so much information when we can't truly 100% verify it all. Of course I have no authority here, but it's something that irks me. Oranguru765 (talk) 06:18, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

I'm sorry to let you know, but there is no such thing as unbiased sources. Everything has a leaning - weather it be right or left. Wikipedia is known to have a liberal bias, hence why many people start edit wars over their lords and saviors Stalin and Hitler.

On a much more serious note, the CIA is actually a pretty good source. It's information on the USSR gained from spying and satellites was actually in-line with what the government of the country said. It's safe to say the CIA is a reliable source when it comes to the affairs of countries. While they might not have the whole picture, they do usually have either a good idea or a starting point. I know websites like NK News and 38 North have English translations of DPRK's news, and KCNA Watch allows you to watch the country's broadcasts (albeit in Korean).

If you could find some trusted sources that we would cross-reference with our currently existing sources, that would be much appreciated. Thank you! -Erin (PhoenixCaelestis) (talk) 11:16, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

Map

If North Korea gave up on unification, then why does the map still show Pyongyang wanting the South??? 113.185.47.66 (talk) 20:06, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

Because Pyongyang still wants the South:

In line with such a change of thoughts, Kim at the time stated that the constitution should redefine North Korea's borders, referencing how other countries include "clear" political and geographic definitions of territorial "land, sea and air."

"As long as the southern border of our country is clearly drawn, no borderline — including the illicit and lawless 'Northern Limit Line (NLL),' can be compromised," Kim said.

He added that the constitution must specify exactly where the DPRK "exercises sovereignty" and reflect how North Korea will "completely occupy, subjugate and restore ROK territory and incorporate it into DPRK territory" in the event of a war.

If Pyongyang renounces its territorial claims to the South in its constitutional revisions in October, then the map should be changed. Kim has given up on peaceful reunification, but he clearly still thinks that South Korea should be part of North Korea. Yue🌙 01:06, 27 September 2024 (UTC)