Talk:Orr (Catch-22)

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I was about to propose (or do) something similar. Seconded. --kingboyk 13:01, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

Thirded(!) --Mal 22:48, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

Has been done. —Nightstallion (?) 07:53, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

Hungry Joe is pretty crazy, people may consider him crazier than Yossarian. I doubt Orr is the only one.

Plane crash where ?[edit]

Near which country does Orr's plane crash finally? Isn't it too long and circuitous a path to paddle by boat from Italy to Sweden ? Jay 20:02, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Yes it is Sweden - crazy though it sounds - it is not said very clearly in the book's final chapter, but the main characters give the impression that indeed that Orr has escaped to LethaniolSweden e.g.:
Said by the Chaplain: "Washed ashore in Sweden after so many weeks at sea! It's a miracle".
The important thing is that Orr has escaped the life held under tha rule of Catch-22 and it gives heart to Yossarian, the Chaplain and Major Danby to go on - giving the optimistic ending to the book that Catch-22 can be beaten.

Lethaniol 14:58, 13 October 2006 (UTC)


This was left by an IP user:

A believed theory for this bizarre behaviour is that Orr was secretly trying to increase the amount of air he could hold in his cheeks (via crabapples; also goes along with Orr being last out of plane during the crash he went "missing") and the shape of his palms/hands (for easier swimming/paddling after he brought his plane down).

Have removed as needs a citation - as this is not mentioned in the book. If you know of such a citation please put rework text and put back in with ref.Lethaniol 10:56, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

Character Introduction[edit]

Do we really need this as a section unto itself? Couldn't it just go before all the other sections proper? Most other articles don't have an introduction section, and the sectionless bit up the top looks a bit thin. I haven't looked at other character pages with the page template you've using, but I'm guessing the introductions don't need a heading saying "Introduction": it's a bit self-explanatory. Artiste-extraordinaire 15:50, 6 January 2007 (UTC) (edit: I've changed it just to get a feel for it, if people hate it or want to be fundamentalist about the novels project templates, change it back. Artiste-extraordinaire 15:52, 6 January 2007 (UTC))

Initially I was going to disagree - but your version looks must better - so yeah lets get rid of the character introduction - you will find it on about 10 other character pages - just remove it and condense it as you have done here. If anyone else find them please do the same. You may want to mention it over at WP:NOVELS as your suggestion probably goes for all novels, so maybe the template should be changed. Cheers Lethaniol 16:29, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

Orr/orre (origin of name section)[edit]

The article incorrectly states that the Swedish name for the black grouse (Tetrao tetrix / Lyrurus tetrix) is Orr, when the correct term in Swedish is Orre (with emphasis on the e). While Heller could have picked up a dialectical name (Orr'n or somesuch) or ancient pronounciation (Urr), it is all tings considered quite unlikely, in any case it is not standard Swedish.

If there is biographical support for a Swedish connection to the name, one might also add that Orre as in the bird is the second definition of the substantive in the authoritative SAOB: the primary definition is related to a mythological person, King Orre (Kung Orre), who was as far as I can tell named in various old sayings and jokes, the name seems to be connected to gambling and general adventurism that in the end pays off. This connection is suggestive, but also quite strained.

I'm not a registered user so I won't edit the main article, but this is probably something to edit out as far as I can tell. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 17:51, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

I'm also a native Swedish speaker, and I agree, the bird is called "orre", pronounced "orr-EH", nothing else. The article should be fixed to reflect this. (talk) 12:45, 20 January 2010 (UTC)