Talk:Per Fine Ounce

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No image possible

Due to the fact that this book was never published and current Wikipedia Fair Use image restrictions prevent any other images from being used (including one of the author), no image is available for this article. 23skidoo 22:07, 27 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

However if someone is able to provide a cover of the manuscript, that could be used as the image for this article. 23skidoo 17:58, 28 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Placeholder

The following link has been temporarily removed from the article as the website is currently offline and pending renewal:

007Forever.com article on Per Fine Ounce

Please do not mark this article as "uncited" as the above link was the citation, and will be reinstated once the 007forever website is back online.

23skidoo 19:30, 23 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Crediting source

Would it not be possible to credit the article that much of the information for this piece is taken from, ie 'Gold Dust', issue two of Kiss Kiss Bang Bang Magazine, http://www.007.info/ClubMagazine.asp. Thanks! The writer of that article. :) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 217.209.112.80 (talk) 22:42, 12 March 2007 (UTC).[reply]

We can't provide a citation without more detailed information, such as the issue date and author of the article and/or a working URL to the article itself. The link provided here just goes to the magazine homepage which can't be used. If this info can be provided, I'd be happy to include it as a source since the 007Forever URL is no longer functional. 23skidoo 19:31, 13 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
This is my bad. When I rewrote the article last year sometime, most of it was coming from memory and a variety of sources which I didn't list - but should have. Kind of surprising that I didn't. KKBBM was probably the main source IIRC. Just writing this to say sorry. :) K1Bond007 20:03, 20 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

KKBB article

Fair enough - but whoever added the information here from my article would have known this! 'Gold Dust' by Jeremy Duns, Kiss Kiss Bang Bang magazine, Issue 2 (Winter 2005), pages 39-47, see http://www.007.info/ClubMagazine.asp for more info.

The 007 Forever article was my starting point for research, but I discoverd a lot more than was there. The most important information in my article has not been mentioned - I found draft pages of Per Fine Ounce, and in them we learn that the Double O Section has closed down and Bond quits MI6! This, of course, prefigures both LICENCE RENEWED by John Gardner and the film LICENCE TO KILL.

I don't have time, but there are a few inaccuracies in this Wikipedia piece. I don't know if Jenkins' contract was never signed - the copy I found wasn't, but that's a very different thing. What's the source for Benson saying the book might be in IFP's archives? I think he was asked if he had asked to read the book in the IFP archives, and he said no, he hadn't. Again, not quite the same. One of the things I found hardest about researching this book was the Chinese whispers. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 217.209.112.236 (talk) 21:05, 15 March 2007 (UTC).[reply]

Just for the record, I originated this article based upon the section in "The Bond Files" by Andy Lane and Paul Simpson, and other material was added later. Is there material that has been copied word for word from your article? If so then that's a copyvio and it needs to be either reworded or removed. It's interesting to hear others have seen the PFO manuscript as the only other person known to have accessed it is Raymond Benson according to his interview on the subject. The original source for the Raymond Benson information is an online interview he gave for the 007Forever -- see the discussion marked "Placeholder" above -- which was originally cited, but unfortunately the 007Forever site appears to have gone away so the link had to be removed. Did you ever find any indication that PFO was intended as a Robert Markham release? 23skidoo 22:26, 15 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

There's nothing in the current article that is taken word-for-word from mine, and I'm happy for the informaton to be used - as long as I am sourced! :) All the changes made to your original piece have come from my article and supercede Lane and Simpson/007 Forever, both of which contained some wrong information and were missing a lot more. The date Jenkins met Harry Saltzman and Glidrose, the quotes from Janson-Smith, that it's about gold and so on: this is all substantial new information, and all comes from my research. But the major thing - that I found draft pages of the book! - has not been mentioned. (I didn't see the manuscript, just four draft pages of it.) Benson's comment is not in the main 007Forever article on Per Fine Ounce - can you find the original interview via www.archive.org? I'd like to see it again, because from memory I think he was asked if he had taken advantage of his position as continuation author to read the manuscript in IFP's archives, and he said he hadn't, which was taken as confirmation that the manuscript is in fact there.

I didn't find any information that Jenkins's book would be released under the Markham name but I think it's unlikely, because if they had published it I suspect they would have wanted to capitalise on the fact that Jenkins was already a best-selling thriller-writer, had worked with and been friends with Fleming, and had consulted with him about the book before his death. The meeting with Saltzman and Glidrose and the provisions in Jenkins' contract with Glidrose regarding merchandising from any film made from his book suggest that a screen adaptation was a genuine possibility. Had the novel been published and filmed, perhaps Jenkins would have gone on to write more Bond novels, in the same way John Gardner did after Amis. A pseudonym makes more sense for a series with different writers releasing one-offs, which is more likely if the writers are of the literary stature of Amis, and not known for thrillers. I did discover that Peter Fleming was considering Amis even while Glidrose were negotiating clauses of Jenkins' contract, though, so I wouldn't rule out the possibility that the Markham idea may also have been considered for Jenkins. But I found no hard evidence either way, so it's best not to speculate on it in the article.

My article on CommanderBond.net, http://commanderbond.net/article/3144, goes into detail about a tribute to Fleming in Jenkins' novel Hunter Killer, which he wrote directly before Per Fine Ounce. This could be added either here or to the main page on Jenkins.

Anyone can edit Wikipedia, so please feel free to add any of the above information to the above article yourself (and I'll add your article under the references). 23skidoo 14:08, 16 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]