Talk:Phil Harvey (band manager)/GA3

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Reviewer: An anonymous username, not my real name (talk · contribs) 01:38, 17 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hello there! I admire your perseverance in getting this article passed. Third time's the charm, as they say. I'll review it when I have time. An anonymous username, not my real name 01:38, 17 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I cannot over-stress how much I hate doing this to you for a third time. However, many of the issues noted by the last review have not been addressed, there is some strange and confusing wording, and the article failed multiple of the few spot checks I did. All of this said (especially the first part), it is most certainly eligible for quick-failing. Here are some quick bullets:

He graduated in psychology at the University of Melbourne — The grammar here is confusing. One does not graduate "in" a field of study nor does one graduate "at" an institution.
they are the most successful group of the 21st century. — They are the most commercially successful band according to the source; the word commercially should not be excluded.
Even something as simple as his birthday is wrong; the cited source says he was born in 1979.
The cited source for ref 5 makes no mention of the Lyon house.
Something mentioned in the last review that has not been addressed: he is called simply "the manager" multiple times.
being also known for his interactions — "Being also" reads rather awkwardly.
There is still no source for the discography, as mentioned in the last review.
The last review advised removing the see also section per MOS:SEEALSO, which hasn't been done.
Not all of the external links advised to be removed have been removed.

This list could probably be more comprehensive, but given that the article is already eligible for quick-failing, that seems like beating a dead horse. Again, I hate doing this to you. On the bright side, the use of quotations seems much more reasonable than in previous versions and the article passed my copyvio check. Don't get discouraged. An anonymous username, not my real name 23:47, 18 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

He graduated in psychology at the University of Melbourne — Solved.
they are the most successful group of the 21st century. — Solved.
born in 1979. — I ended up overlooking this since the remaining information is correct, I will find another source as soon as possible.
Lyon house — The source says "Attended Sherborne School (Lyon) 1990-1995". The name of the house is between parenthesis for all students on the list.
he is called simply "the manager" multiple times. — Solved.
being also known for his interactions — Solved.
There is still no source for the discography, as mentioned in the last review. — He is listed as a band member in all albums except Parachutes and X&Y, which still included his name in other ways. This was addressed on the Creative Direction section already.
The last review advised removing the see also section per MOS:SEEALSO, which hasn't been done. — Solved.
Not all of the external links advised to be removed have been removed. — Solved.

Can you please elaborate further on "strange and confusing wording", I already rewrote this article three times already. You can't give such a vague feedback to a non-native speaker. GustavoCza (talk • contribs) 03:56, 19 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I would like to have clarification on the spot checks as well, I already opened on reference by one and one archive by one to see if the pages were working. And it wasn't only in my laptop, I also tested this on other devices. GustavoCza (talk • contribs) 04:03, 19 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I already failed the article, so there is no point in this, but I can try to clarify. You said "[I] can't give such a vague feedback to a non-native speaker", but according to WP:QF, an article can be immediately failed without further review if "it has issues noted in a previous GA review that still have not been adequately addressed, as determined by a reviewer who has not previously reviewed the article". I am not required to provide a comprehensive overview in this case, so giving feedback at all was a courtesy. You also do not mention being a non-native speaker on your userpage (I inferred it from the sources you used, but perhaps I overestimated your proficiency in English, in which case my apologies). The particular wording issues that especially stood out to me I already listed. As for the spot checks, that just means that the source does not match the information in the article. Again, I already listed the examples of this that I noticed. That should conclude this discussion. An anonymous username, not my real name 10:48, 19 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

You listed some examples but not all of them are correct, the Lyon house source clearly states "Attended Sherborne School (Lyon) 1990-1995". His discography credits are addressed on the article's body already too. I even included a footnote to talk about his role on the albums he wasn't listed as a band member. GustavoCza (talk • contribs) 12:35, 19 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Well in those two cases, yes, it appears I missed some details. My apologies. In the case of the discography I simply was looking at the last GAR which said there was no citation for discography, so I overlooked the other parts of the article where citations were given. An anonymous username, not my real name 13:03, 19 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Birth year aside I'm assuming all the issues were addressed now then? I'm not stopping at my third attempt. GustavoCza (talk • contribs) 16:23, 19 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, it would appear everything has now been fixed, although for the reasons I mentioned, I did not do a full review, so I may have missed some other things. An anonymous username, not my real name 17:02, 19 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]