Talk:Piri Reis/GA1

GA Review

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Nominator: Rjjiii (talk · contribs) 00:26, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Reviewer: Simongraham (talk · contribs) 16:14, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Having undertaken the Good Article review for the Piri Reis map, I am very pleased to see that the article on its author is nominated by the same nominator. I will start my review shortly. simongraham (talk) 16:14, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

Overall, the standard of the article is high.
It is of substantial length, with 3,842 words of readable prose.
The lead is significant with a length of 459 words.
Authorship is 85,3% from the nominator with contributions from 129 other editors, although most are not significant.
It is currently assessed as a B class article.
Although not a GA criteria, suggest adding ALT text for accessibility.

Criteria

The six good article criteria:

It is reasonable well written.
the prose is clear, concise, and understandable to an appropriately broad audience; spelling and grammar are correct;
- The writing is clear and appropriate.
- I can see no obvious spelling or grammar errors.
it complies with the Manual of Style guidelines for lead, layout and word choice.
- It seems to comply with the Manuals of Style.
It is factually accurate and verifiable.
it contains a reference section, presented in accordance with the layout style guideline;
- A reference section is included, with sources listed.
all inline citations are from reliable sources;
- Cuoghi does not seem to support the statement that "The southern coast of the Atlantic Ocean is widely accepted to be a version of Terra Australis.". Can you please confirm where the source confirms this. The relevant statement seems to be "At that time, the land south of the strait was thought to represent the northern edge of that large continent which, according to tolemaic tradition, must have existed in the southern emisphere to balance the quantity of emerged lands in the northern one. Furthermore, many charts and planispheres of that period read "Terra Australis Incognita" (Unknown Austral Land) on the land south of the strait of Magellan." but that does not seem sufficient to me.
- Goodrich 2004, states that "Unlike his famous two partial world maps of 1513 and 1528 these are not originals, most drawn after the death of Piri Reis." How does this support "The known surviving manuscripts are all copies created beginning in the later 1500s" please.
  - This source also gives the dates of all known extant manuscripts (all of which are copies). They begin in the 1500s. Most are from after his death, but a handful were made in the years just before his execution. Rjjiii (ii) (talk) 19:00, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Please check the other sources before I continue my spot checks.
it contains no original research;
- All relevant statements have inline citations.
- I assume V in Akçura 1935 is the fold-out map. Is this correct?
- Ayyubi wrote a later article that is almost identically titled to the one listed [1]. Worth reviewing?
it contains no copyright violations nor plagiarism;
- Earwig gives a 48.7%% chance of copyright violation, which means that it is highly likely. However, looking at the top hit, MicIntosh's A Tale of Two Admirals: Columbus and the Piri Reis Map of 1513, it seems that these are the titles of sources shared between the articles. The remaining sources checked also seem to avoid any close-phrasing or similar potential violations.
It is broad in its coverage
it addresses the main aspects of the topic.
- The article does a good job of covering the subject's life and work.
it stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail (see summary style).
- The article goes into a lot of detail but is generally compliant.
It has a neutral point of view.
it represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to different points of view.
- The article seems generally balanced.
It is stable.
it does not change significantly from day to day because of any ongoing edit war or content dispute.
- There is was some prior content dispute as recorded in the talk page but the editors do not seem to be substantive to the current version and there is no current evidence of edit wars.
It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.
images are tagged with their copyright statuses, and valid fair use rationales are provided for non-free content;
- The three images Venice by Piri Reis.jpg Piri Reis - Map of the Islands of the Aegean Sea Including Chios, Cos, Rhodes and Crete - Walters W658101A - Full Page.jpg and Piri Reis - Map of the Egyptian Coast From Alexandria as Far as the City of Rashid - Walters W658303B - Full Page.jpg require a US PD tag.
  - These all have US PD tags now. There are still error messages from one of the templates, but the rationale for both the US and country of origin is provided.Rjjⁱⁱⁱ (talk) 01:28, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Piri reis world map 01.jpg and Second World Map of Piri Reis.jpg have the correct PD tag.
- The remaining images have appropriate CC tags.
images are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions.
- The images are extensive and appropriate, covering both the subject and his works.

@Rjjiii: Thank you, Rjjⁱⁱⁱ, for an interesting article. Please take a look at my comments above and ping me when you would like me to take another look. simongraham (talk) 17:54, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]