Talk:Prise d'Orange/GA1

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Reviewer: Daniel Case (talk · contribs) 18:34, 4 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I will be printing this article out and reading it over over the next few days/week, as I typically do, and probably doing a light copy edit since I don't think any GA nomination should fail purely on those grounds. I'll get back afterwards with my thoughts. Daniel Case (talk) 18:34, 4 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Alright. The copy edit was actually rather easy, not too much needed, and I really don't have a lot of non-copy issues to raise. It's a short article, one of the shortest GA candidate I've ever reviewed, but it seems like there's not too much to say about this chanson in the literature.

So my few things I'd like to know about or see addressed:

We have two images in the article but neither is in the lede. Granted, they're relevant to their sections, but ... maybe one of them could go up top? Or ... right there in the beginning it mentions William of Gellone. Is there possibly an image of him here that we could use? And maybe {{infobox poem}}, too? Just something to break up the text a bit more and make it easier on a reader's eyes right from the start.
- I originally had File:Chansons de geste de Guillaume - Prise d'Orange - folio 41 - français 774 - Bibliothèque nationale de France.jpg in the lede, then for some reason I moved it to the body, and now I've moved it back. I guess I could use that as the image for {{Infobox poem}} but I'm wary it would become a WP:DISINFOBOX as so much of the info about Prise is approximate and conjectural. AleatoryPonderings (???) (!!!) 15:57, 16 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

OK, good. Daniel Case (talk) 02:17, 18 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Is that whole list of the real Muslim leaders of Orange really necessary to demonstrate how Tibaut is fictional? At the very least it should probably be in an endnote rather than inline.
- I forget why I put that in the text in the first place but you're right it's not necessary in the body. Changed to efn. AleatoryPonderings (???) (!!!) 14:58, 16 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

OK, good. Daniel Case (talk) 02:17, 18 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

It might be nice in the plot summary to explain to us that Guielin is Guillaume's nephew, rather than have that come out of the blue in the next section.
- Done. AleatoryPonderings (???) (!!!) 15:23, 16 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Again, good. Daniel Case (talk) 02:17, 18 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Could we maybe explain inline what a hemistich is? I know it's linked ... but when you're reading this on paper that's of little use. Something like ", or half-lines," after it would do. And likewise with planctus in the next sentence. It's sort of like WP:EGG in reverse ... yes, we are writing an online encylopedia, but readers shouldn't have to keep clicking links for the most basic explanation of a technical term they may not understand and may not have previously come across. Put another way, it's not necessary that they read the entire article about these things to understand what they are for purposes of this article. Or so I think.
- I think this takes care of hemistich and planctus. Doing this also helped me clarify the role of the hemistich; the original phrasing made it look as if hemistichs weren't pervasive, but in fact they're just the basic metrical unit of the poem. AleatoryPonderings (???) (!!!) 15:54, 16 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

OK ... movin' right along here. Daniel Case (talk) 02:17, 18 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

What are Madeline Tyssens's qualifications to speak about this work? She's not linked, so I assume she's not notable. I'd like to read something brief in apposition that assures me she's an expert on this sort of thing, as opposed to being, say, some blogger somewhere.
- Definitely an expert; has an article on French WP and she got a Festschrift in 2002. See Special:Diff/1066042612. AleatoryPonderings (???) (!!!) 15:09, 16 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Good ... obviously we should have an article on her, but the French one leaves a lot to be desired as well. Daniel Case (talk) 02:17, 18 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

OK, that's it ... You don't necessarily have to treat everything here as a punch list, bit I'd like to see some responses within the requisite week. I think it's fairly close to passing, but till then ...

~~On hold~~

Daniel Case (talk) 07:32, 16 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Daniel Case: Thanks for the review. I think I've addressed all the comments above. AleatoryPonderings (???) (!!!) 15:58, 16 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Alright ... we are all set!

(Taps article on both shoulders with mop handle)

Arise, good article! Daniel Case (talk) 02:17, 18 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]