Talk:Raymond Buckland/Archive 1

Archive 1

Other Places and Time Periods?

Currently the article makes it seem as if he only lived in one place. According to George Knowles, "Buckland next met and married 'Tara Cochan' of Cleveland. Together they moved to Charlottesville in Virginia, where they re-established the seminary school and set up a publishing company called 'Taray Publications'. In December 1984 they moved again this time to San Diego, where they phased out the seminary correspondence course. By this time the Seax-Wica tradition was well established worldwide."

As a Resident of Charlottesville, it is of importance to us that our little piece in this history be recorded and remembered and I expect pagans from other locations might feel the same way. In fact, there are many missing details from Buckland's time here in Charlottesville that I'd love to find out. Unfortuntely he appears to be in ill health and is somewhat difficult to contact. The best I've been able to do so far is to confirm the location of his publishing company and speak with people who knew members of his local Coven (of which there may be none left, but no one is sure).--Yarthkin 13:51, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

First person to... ?

This statement is highly doubtful, what is the source and given date? "the first person in the United States to openly admit to being a practitioner of Wicca"--24.250.210.206 20:41, 17 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Buckland makes this claim, or at least used to. Jkelly 21:21, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

Shouldn't the sentence read 'Raymond Buckland (b. 1934) claims to be the first person in the United States to openly admit to being a practitioner of Wicca.' or 'According to his written works, Buckland was the first person in the United States to openly admit to being a practitioner of Wicca.'? --Jcvamp 10:51, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

First Witch

It depends how you define witch. He was certainly the first one to get on TV and seriously specifically say he was witch, as opposed to shaman or voodoo praticioner.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Clydeman (talk • contribs)

Removal of 'according to his written works'

At one point I had changed Raymond Buckland (b. 1934) was the first person in the United States to openly admit to being a practitioner of [Wicca]' to 'Raymond Buckland (b. 1934), according to his written works, was the first person in the United States to openly admit to being a practitioner of [Wicca]' because it is debatable whether he actually was the first. This has been changed back to the original phrasing.

I think that, until there is a citation to prove that he was the first person in the US to admit to being a Wiccan, we should stick to what is known for certain. It is a fact that Buckland has made this claim in his books. Other than that, I haven't seen any evidence to suggest that this is true.--Jcvamp 11:43, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

I also think that the claim on his website that he introduced Wicca to the US is dubious. It's possible that other people converted to Wicca and moved to America, where they continued to practise, before he did. It's true that he did a lot to popularise Wicca, but to say he was the first in the US takes a great leap of faith.--Jcvamp 04:20, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

It's not the same to say "another person converted to Wicca possibly moved to America", or "he introduced Wicca to the U.S." Buckland was probably the first prominent author and public spokesperson for the Wiccan religion in the U.S. The only other candidate I can think of would be Gavin Frost, who probably established the first Federally-recognized Wiccan church in the U.S. Even if you could document another Wiccan "moving to America", I don't think that would contradict these statements.Rosencomet (talk) 16:34, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

I have requested some objective citatations to qualify some of the statements. Pahuson (talk) 06:51, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

Cleanup needed

The article needs style cleanup (inlcuding of the Bibliography stuff I just moved from Witchcraft), and some better sourcing. I may fix the Bibliography soonish. Jkelly 21:21, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

An observation: The bibliography mixes the original Buckland books and their translation into Spanish (and the later are misspelled). 190.100.199.187 (talk) 23:22, 8 June 2009 (UTC)Arboreus (Not a wikipedian BTW)

I just cleaned up the Bibliography using the list from Buckland's web site and taking out all the foreign language versions. -- Sheherazahde (talk) 08:22, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

Roma descent?

Is there any evidence of Roma descent, however defined? Would it be safer to say he claims Roma descent?

The Lawless One (talk) 23:22, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Advertising?

Doesn't this article constitute blatantly unwikian ADVERTISING?KitMarlowe2 22:41, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia policies and guidelines

There are a range of Wikipedia sources that can help you out. All articles must meet WP:V. To learn how to a proper citing style, consult WP:CITE. For what kind of external links are acceptable, WP:EL is a useful set of guidelines. Good luck! GBYork 17:33, 24 August 2006 (UTC) This user was found to be a sock of Mattisse

PhD? Brantridge Degree Mill

Isn't Brantridge Forest College a degree mill? See http://online.degree.net/archive/index.php/t-1577.html . If so, shouldn't the doctorate mention should be removed or mentioned as a degree mill claim? Unreg User 23:14, 12 December 2007 (AEST)

I removed the reference rather than mention Brantridge as degree mill.

Text removed was "and later Brantridge Forest College in Sussex. He earned a doctorate in anthropology at Brantridge." Unreg User 16:34, 25 January 2008 (AEST)

I'm not sure if this is a diploma mill or not; there seems to be confusion between Brantridge Forest College and Brantridge Forest School. There's also a Brantridge University in Hawaii that's just as suspect. However, I can find no evidence it was accredited, even if it's not actually a diploma mill.Rosencomet (talk) 17:18, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

Trivia

So should that trivia section just be removed? It only has 1 sentence and there are 3 tags suggesting it shouldn't be there. HotshotCleaner (talk) 03:49, 29 October 2011 (UTC)

Assessment comment

The comment(s) below were originally left at Talk:Raymond Buckland/Comments, and are posted here for posterity. Following several discussions in past years, these subpages are now deprecated. The comments may be irrelevant or outdated; if so, please feel free to remove this section.

Bibliography is twice the length of article content. - AdelaMae (t - c - wpn) 22:24, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Last edited at 22:24, 13 January 2007 (UTC). Substituted at 03:59, 30 April 2016 (UTC)

Source for museum reopening

The section about the museum lacks any source regarding its 2016 relaunch in Ohio. I wrote an article about it for The Wild Hunt, a news agency focusing on stories of Pagan interest. Since posting one's own work — even when it's been through a journalistic editing process — is a conflict of interest, I offer it here for consideration: http://wildhunt.org/2016/07/buckland-museum-poised-to-reopen-in-midwest.html --~TPW 13:19, 28 September 2017 (UTC)

 Declined You've already added to the article a mention of the piece that you wrote, shown here. As the addition of this material has already taken place, your current edit request is moot.  Spintendo  ᔦᔭ  16:44, 3 December 2017 (UTC)

Name of the Long Island coven

Buckland's Long Island coven did not have a name, as per this 2016 interview with the man. It would be appropriate to update that information.--~TPW 22:36, 29 September 2017 (UTC)

 Implemented  Spintendo  ᔦᔭ  16:44, 3 December 2017 (UTC)