Talk:Reference atmospheric model

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One view of the intended purpose of this page[edit]

While looking a few months ago for information on Atmospheric models I came across references to NRLMSISE-00 but no real references related to (the new pages) US Standard Atmosphere, nor a general page linking to various atmospheric models. Thus, after (hopefully, somewhat) clarifying Standard Atmosphere, US Standard Atmosphere etc, this page was created to link to these models as well as several other unrelated atmospheric models. Because of this confusion, I would be very cautious in using the term "standard atmosphere" on this page, except in linking to one of the specific atmospheric models under that name. Obviously, all of this is IMHO, but I wanted to write my original intent. MFago 15:08, 30 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Content needed[edit]

Really need several plots showing temperature vs altitude (and similarly for density etc), along with the defining equations. MFago 04:13, 11 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Lots of confusion over 'STP' vs entire atmospheric model[edit]

I just found Standard conditions for temperature and pressure -- a page with different content, but a slightly similar focus. At the very least, I'd think we need many more interwiki links and redirects. Lots of duplication in this regard, with some articles confusing the two.... MFago 04:46, 11 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Comments supporting move[edit]

This page should be moved to Standard atmosphere models. I.e. what is the "idealized" vertical structure of the Earth's atmosphere.

Moved. —Nightst a llion (?) 13:21, 29 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

IMHO this is not the case. "Standard Atmosphere" is the name of a specific set of atmospheric models and is a very confusing term to use as the title of this article. See, e.g., Standard Atmosphere, US Standard Atmosphere, etc. Additionally, I would argue that a model is understood to be an idealization. While I admit that original title may not be perfect, as envisioned this article would be a "jumping off point" for all of the specific Atmospheric models that are in use. MFago 22:10, 29 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I only moved this because there was no opposition to the proposal; feel free to move it back in this case (not generally ;)) if you oppose it. —Nightst a llion (?) 06:11, 30 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Ok will do. For some reason these edits did not show up on my watchlist. Where should I have seen the proposal (I would have thought there would be a banner on the page itself)? Thanks for helping to edit this page! MFago 14:43, 30 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Atmospheric model vs. Atmospheric models[edit]

There is now a page Atmospheric model that is about a different, but related topic: predictive CFD models used, e.g., in weather prediction. This has led to some confusion.

Some discussion that has occured on user-talk pages:

In meteorology atmospheric model is typically numerical model of the flow of the atmosphere, often numerical. For example, Community Atmospheric Model, Regional Atmospheric Model, just google on it. Your use of atmospheric models has meaning of model of verticla structure of atmosphere. It should probably be called "atmosphere models", or "standard atmosphere models". I tried to originate discussion on this subject. The article was moved and you moved it back? Pflatau 04:11, 6 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I agree that there are two different meanings of "atmosphere model," one that refers to a "static" model, and another that is meant to be predictive. However, "standard atmosphere" is not the correct term to apply to either of these, but rather is (essentially) the name of a specific (static) atmospheric model, the US Standard Atmosphere (or alternatively the related international standard). Feel free to clarify the difference between the two (static vs. predictive) on Atmospheric models. Alternatively, you or I could make Atmospheric Model a disambiguation page, and point to, e.g., "Atmospheric model (static)" and "Atmospheric Model (dynamic)." I'll add a "otheruses" on Atmospheric model as well. Have a better idea? MFago 14:40, 6 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I'd support moving this to "Atmosphere models" or "Atmosphere models (static)" or something similar. I just worry about making this too complicated. MFago 14:43, 6 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]