Talk:Rimsky-Korsakoffee House/GA1

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Reviewer: Seabuckthorn (talk · contribs) 02:56, 12 January 2014 (UTC)
Nominator: Another Believer (Talk)

Hi! I'll be reviewing this article for GA status, and should have my full review up shortly. --Seabuckthorn  02:56, 12 January 2014 (UTC)


1: Well-written

WP:LEAD:

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      • Major Point 1: Description "Rimsky-Korsakoffee House is a classical music-themed ... some of them are "haunted" (animated), at times elevating, rotating or vibrating." (summarised well in the lead)
      • Major Point 2: Reception "The coffeehouse has received a generally positive reception and is known mostly for its desserts and for offering a unique experience to guests." (not a concise summary of the Reception section)
    • Check for Relative emphasis:  Done
      • Major Point 1: Description "Rimsky-Korsakoffee House is a classical music-themed ... some of them are "haunted" (animated), at times elevating, rotating or vibrating." (the lead gives due weight as is given in the body)
      • Major Point 2: Reception "The coffeehouse has received a generally positive reception and is known mostly for its desserts and for offering a unique experience to guests." (the lead does not give due weight as is given in the body)
    • Check for Opening paragraph (MOS:BEGIN):  Done
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        • Rimsky-Korsakoffee House is a classical music-themed coffeehouse, located in the Buckman neighborhood of southeast Portland, Oregon, in the United States.
        • Definition and notability should be in the first sentence (WP:BETTER). As per WP:LEADSENTENCE, The article should begin with a short declarative sentence, answering two questions for the nonspecialist reader: "What (or who) is the subject?" and "Why is this subject notable?".
        • I think the "haunted" aspect of notability of this coffeehouse is a recurrent theme that appears both in this article and the sources it cites, and hence it should be highlighted in the first sentence.
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    • The lead needs to be expanded.
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2: Verifiable with no original research

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Cross-checked with other FAs: Weather Machine, Rufus Does Judy at Carnegie Hall, & Music for a Time of War. Also verified with one GA: Allow Me (Portland, Oregon)

  1. Check for the material (WP:RSVETTING): (contentious)  Done
    • Is it contentious?: Yes
    • Does the ref indeed support the material?:
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Check for inline citations WP:MINREF:  Done

  1. Check for Direct quotations:  Done
    • "haunted" (not cited in the lead, but cited later in the body to Source 4,13,18)
    • "pseudo elegant" ... .[1][18] (Check on source 1, unsuccessful, not in source 1, check on source 18 (Google Book), successful, "As owner Goody Cable explains it, each cloth-and-glass-topped table is named for a different classical composer and has a "pseudo elegant" decor, with delicate flowers and soft candlelight. Everything ...")
    • "mecca for grungy young artist-types seeking caffeine, chocolate and liberal-minded conversation".[2] (Check on source 2, successful, "")
    • "one of the best" ... .[3]
    • "haunted" ... [4][13][18] (Check on source 4, successful, ""Unlike any other place in Portland" say fans of this "quirky" Buckman coffeehouse set in an old house, where "delicious" desserts are served in "eclectic" environs decorated with random knickknacks and oddities (hanging ornaments, ‘haunted' tables that rotate or vibrate); "live classical music" on the weekends adds to the experience, just bring cash (no cards) and don't forget to check out the famous bathroom upstairs.")
    • "odd things" ... .[4][5]
    • "quirky" and "unlike any other place in Portland" ... "famous".[4]
    • "nearly hidden from view" ... .[5][7] (Check on source 5, successful, "Eclectic spot in an older craftsman house nearly hidden from view by the surrounding trees and shrubs. The bizarre 70's style wallpaper, odd things hanging from the ceiling and the reports of hauntings and the surrounding foliage make you feel like you've slipped into a dimension similar but not quite the same as our own. Coffee and deserts are served for your voyage.")
    • "eclectic spot" ... "make you feel like you've slipped into a dimension similar but not quite the same as our own".[5]
    • "rich" ... "attractive".[6] (Check on source 6, successful, "Attractive ice cream desserts and rich coffee are served while live classical music is performed in what was once the living ...")
    • "eclectic haunt" a "spooky alternative" ... .[6] (Check on source 6, unsuccessful, more is inaccessible to me, check on Google, query quote "eclectic haunt" + "spooky alternative", this quote appears in another RS (http://local.yahoo.com/info-21970299-rimskykorsakoffee-house-portland?viewtype=map) as "About: Attractive ice cream desserts and rich coffee are served while live classical music is performed in what was once the living room of an old, reportedly haunted Portland residence. This eclectic haunt is a spooky alternative to visiting a bar, club or movie. Sit at one of the tables or lounge on a couch.", either this link in ref needs to be confirmed or replaced)
    • "Best concert-in-a-coffeehouse".[7]
    • "to stop cleaning [her] house for music parties," ... .[11] (Check on source 11, successful, ""I opened the coffeehouse to stop cleaning my house for music parties." She'd held classical music parties in her home for years.")
    • "homelike" ... .[11] (Check on source 11, successful, "Cable's vision cast dozens of conversational types gathering in her homelike restaurant, drinking dark brews, ... ")
    • "conversation, creation, education, game playing and enjoying nature".[11] (Check on source 11, successful, "Cable measures her own life on a 90/10 principle. "Ninety percent of what people do is not important," she said, "while the real core of life is 10 percent." For Cable that core is conversation, creation, education, game playing and enjoying nature.")
    • "never" ... [11]
    • "I don't think Rimsky's would have worked anyplace else... Certainly not for 28 years."[12]
    • "nights-only" ... "screams 'only in Portland' ".[13] (Check on source 13, successful, "")
    • "under-the-sea" ... "regularly induces screams".[13][18] (Check on source 13, successful, "")
    • "cozy little place with an easygoing feel".[13][14] (Check on source 13, successful, "")
    • "bizarre 70's style" ... [15] (Check on source 15 (Google Book), unsuccessful, No results found in this book for bizarre 70's style - Search all books », not in source 15) It's in source 5.
    • "oddball" art,[15] (Check on source 15, successful, as below)
    • "most atmospheric" ... "fun and sassy" ... "to die for" ... "you have to see to believe".[15] (Check on source 15, successful, "The most atmospheric' coffee-house in town, RKH fills a former Victorian home with oddball art, moving tables, an decorated bathrooms you have to see to believe. The waiters are fun and sassy and the desserts, especially the sundaes, to die for. Some say the place is actually haunted.")
    • "odd and peculiar eateries" ... "novelty" ... .[17]
    • "surprising, alarming, and quite curious".[18]
    • "Rasputin's Vice" ... "Tsar Sulton Suite".[19][20]
    • "whimsical" and wrote, "this is a great evening stopoff for caffeine and dessert. It can sometimes be a bit crowded, but the mocha fudge cake is phenomenal with coffee, and the quirky clientele and (sometimes live) music can keep you lingering over that amazing cheesecake!"[21] (Check on source 21, inaccessible)
    • "Portland's favorite dessert hangout for more than 25 years" ... .[22]
    • "Best Coffee Shop" and "Best Dessert".[26]
    • "Best Dessert" ... "Best of Portland" ... [28][29]
    • "Coffee Shop That Should Get You Amped" ... "Keep Portland Weird" ... "funkiest" ... .[30] (Check on source 30, successful, "Coffee shop that should get you amped ... The weird: Come for the coffee and desserts, stay for a seat at a "haunted" table, the singing staff and a trip to the funkiest bathroom in town.")
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3: Broad in its coverage

a. Major aspects:
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Thorough check on Google in parallel with the criteria 2 above. Cross-checked with other FAs: Weather Machine, Rufus Does Judy at Carnegie Hall, & Music for a Time of War. Also verified with one GA: Allow Me (Portland, Oregon)

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b. Focused:
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4: Neutral

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4. Fair representation without bias:  Done

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  12. Check for Fringe theories and pseudoscience (WP:PSCI): None
  13. Check for Religion (WP:RNPOV): None


5: Stable: No edit wars, etc:


6: Images  Done (Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike 3.0 Unported license) & (Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike 2.0 Generic license)

Images:
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6: Images are tagged with their copyright status, and valid fair use rationales are provided for non-free content:  Done

  1. Check for copyright tags (WP:TAGS):  Done
    • Image 1 (Rimsky-Korsakoffee House-1.jpg): This file is licensed under the Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike 3.0 Unported license. This version permits free use, including commercial use.
    • Image 2 (Downtown Portland.png): This file is licensed under the Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike 2.0 Generic license. This version permits free use, including commercial use.
    • Image 3 (Rimsky-Korsakoffee House-2.jpg): This file is licensed under the Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike 3.0 Unported license. This version permits free use, including commercial use.
  2. Check for copyright status:  Done
    • Image 1 (Rimsky-Korsakoffee House-1.jpg): Free.
    • Image 2 (Downtown Portland.png): Free.
    • Image 3 (Rimsky-Korsakoffee House-2.jpg): Free.
  3. Check for non-free content (WP:NFC): None
  4. Check for valid fair use rationales (WP:FUR): NA

6: Images are provided if possible and are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions:  Done

  1. Check for image relevance (WP:IMAGE RELEVANCE):  Done
    • Image 1 (Rimsky-Korsakoffee House-1.jpg): Relevant.
    • Image 2 (Downtown Portland.png): Relevant.
    • Image 3 (Rimsky-Korsakoffee House-2.jpg): Relevant.
  2. Check for Images for the lead (WP:LEADIMAGE):  Done
    • Lead Image (Rimsky-Korsakoffee House-1.jpg): Appropriate & Representative
  3. Check for suitable captions (WP:CAPTION):  Done
    • Caption 1: "Rimsky-Korsakoffee House in 2013" succinct and informative
    • Caption 2: "Location in Portland, Oregon" succinct and informative
    • Caption 3: "Front entrance in 2013" succinct and informative


As per the above checklist, the issues identified are:

  • The first sentence of the lead should include the notability of the coffeehouse.
    • I re-arranged the wording a bit so that "the city's oldest" is now in the first sentence. --Another Believer (Talk) 21:46, 14 January 2014 (UTC)
  • The lead does not provide an accessible overview and does not give Relative emphasis to the Reception.
  • The lead needs to be expanded.
  • "eclectic haunt" a "spooky alternative" ... .[6] (Check on source 6, unsuccessful, more is inaccessible to me, check on Google, query quote "eclectic haunt" + "spooky alternative", this quote appears in another RS (http://local.yahoo.com/info-21970299-rimskykorsakoffee-house-portland?viewtype=map) as "About: Attractive ice cream desserts and rich coffee are served while live classical music is performed in what was once the living room of an old, reportedly haunted Portland residence. This eclectic haunt is a spooky alternative to visiting a bar, club or movie. Sit at one of the tables or lounge on a couch.", either this link in ref needs to be confirmed or replaced)
    • Yes, when I click on Ref. No. 6, and click on "More", I see both pieces of text ("eclectic haunt", "spooky alternative"). Perhaps you have popups disabled on your Internet browser? --Another Believer (Talk) 16:10, 15 January 2014 (UTC)
      • You're right. Works for me too, after changing browser settings. Good. --Seabuckthorn  17:00, 15 January 2014 (UTC)
  • Can you please confirm that link to source 6 for the above quotes works for you? Else it would need to be replaced.
  • "bizarre 70's style" ... [15] (Check on source 15 (Google Book), unsuccessful, No results found in this book for bizarre 70's style - Search all books », not in source 15)
    • I think you might be referring to the wrong reference here. Immediately following the quote are two inline citations, including Number 5. When I view source Number 5, I see the quotation in the text. Let me know if this is fine. --Another Believer (Talk) 21:38, 14 January 2014 (UTC)
      • Apologies. Thanks. It's indeed in the '5'. In fact, I did check it unknowingly in source 5 while checking for the quote "nearly hidden from view", but somehow missed it :). --Seabuckthorn  21:46, 14 January 2014 (UTC)
        • No need to apologize. Just making sure! Thanks. --Another Believer (Talk) 21:47, 14 January 2014 (UTC)

It's a very promising GA nominee. I'm delighted to see your work here. I'm putting the article on hold. All the best! --Seabuckthorn  21:11, 14 January 2014 (UTC)

OK, everything looks good now. Passing the article to GA status. --Seabuckthorn  17:00, 15 January 2014 (UTC)

Thank you so much, Seabuckthorn, for your time and assistance. --Another Believer (Talk) 17:03, 15 January 2014 (UTC)
Thank you very much for enriching our lives with music. Thanks for such fabulous articles. --Seabuckthorn  17:12, 15 January 2014 (UTC)

The above discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.