Talk:Rita Hayworth and Shawshank Redemption
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- 1 Did Dufresne Kill his wife?
- 2 Which version summarized?
- 3 Dufresne fictional within the context of the story?
- 4 Cultural reference
- 5 Count of Monte Cristo
- 6 Big Difference
- 7 Apt Pupil
- 8 It reference
- 9 Red's Self-Imposed Title
- 10 Unsourced "inspiration"
- 11 Reference in Runescape
- 12 Linda Ronstadt???
- 13 Themes?
- 14 Red's "heritage"
- 15 The Play
- 16 Andy's prisoner number
- 17 This article is broadcast from outernet.is where it is considered core content
Did Dufresne Kill his wife?
Removed this last sentence of article:
- For example, in the novella, Andy did kill his wife for the insurance money, so that he has not been wrongfully incarcerated in Shawshank.
Not in the text I've read (the UK edition).
- This article is based on the MOVIE, not the novella, which differs in many details. In the novella, he admittedly did kill his wife for the money. This creates a rather different situation that is an important difference in the plot of the movie. Perhaps, in republishing, this story has changed bit, but not so much that so many details are different.
- That's true. In the novella, it's Red who killed his wife for the insurance money. Andy is completely innocent in both versions. (In the movie we don't find out whom Red killed or why.) --Angr 08:03, 31 Mar 2005 (UTC)
To clear things up: In both the novella and the film, we find out Andy did not kill anyone and that he is in fact innocent. In the novella Red explains how he kills his wife for insurance money, in the film we only find out he killed someone. This is definitely correct and I could provide several links if necessary.--Sadistic monkey 01:54, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
Which version summarized?
I removed the last line:
- The preceding plot details pertain mainly to the film version of this story. The actual novella differs in some areas.
because it no longer seems to be true. The story described here is that of the novella, not that of the movie. Perhaps someone fixed the article but forgot to remove this line. --Heron 12:53, 14 Sep 2004 (UTC)
The plot outlined here is the movie plot. It is obvious when reading the differences between the novella and the movie in the shawshank redemption movie article. Bigbadbyte 05:05, 4 October 2005 (UTC)
- (2 years later.) But now, clearly, the plot summary is for the novel. Ellsworth 19:50, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
- (3 years later.) This article needs to be monitored, I guess, for the insertion of bits from the movie - or elsewhere: the following, which I just cut, is in neither the book nor (exactly) the movie: The warden finds a Bible and discovers that it has a rock hammer-shaped form in the pages along with the phrase "You were right warden, the answer was here". Ellsworth (talk) 01:20, 29 July 2010 (UTC)
Dufresne fictional within the context of the story?
This is my little theory on RHaSR, and it just might be right, but before I post it, I'd like to check others' opinions of it.
My theory is that even within the story, Andy Dufresne does not exist. He is the protagonist of a story written by Red.
This thought came across my mind when I was nearing the end of the story. If I had a copy of the book handy, I'd use the direct quote, but I don't. It was Red talking about finishing a story he calls his own, even though it is also Andy's story. Another quote, near the very end of the story, reaffirmed this concept: "I find I am excited, so excited I can hardly hold the pencil in my trembling hand. I think it is the excitement that only a free man can feel, a free man starting a long journey whose conclusion in uncertain." I looked back through the book, and there are other things, such as the story of a prisoner who made a sculpture while in prison that is currently owned by a governor.
I understand that that's insubstantial evidence. But examine the three other stories in Different Seasons: in the other three, it is undeniable that stories play a large role. In "Apt Pupil", Denker corrupts Todd through his stories of the Holocaust. In "The Body", the story is told by a writer, who is writing about his experience. On a couple occasions during the story, he interjects other stories that he has published. I haven't yet red "The Breathing Method" (I'm going through the stories seasonally), but I've begun it, and it appears to include storytelling in it too.
There's also the fact that King does seem to use the theme of storytelling rather commonly in his works. I think the most obvious example (of King's books that I've read) would probably be The Dark Tower series.
Anyways, give me your thoughts.
- I would say that is a very apt insight. Someone should try to find an essay or review of the novella that makes this same point so it could be used in the article, perhaps the beginning of a section devoted to themes, etc. RoyBatty42 18:45, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
While it is good and well to have your own ideas, unless you have a quote(s) from the author, something like this should not be included in the article.--Sadistic monkey 02:17, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
Thats a rather interesting theory. I've just finished wathcing the movie and read the book a few years ago and never thought Andy could be part of Reds' story...I have to write an essay on the friendships in prisons with regard to the film...any points? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 126.96.36.199 (talk) 13:09, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
This line of discussion is completely unrelated to the above questions, but at one point in the story, when Andy is first discussing with Red where he wishes to go if he gets out of prison, is a small town in Mexico near the Pacific ocean. He states that the people of Mexico "say [the ocean] has no memory." This line is particularly intriguing to me, both from the symbolic and cultural aspects, but I can find no references stating that this is true. King almost always uses bits of cultural truths in his books, but for this I can find no basis in fact.
Please type any knowledge you have on any subjects posted here, and please forgive my posting etiquette, I dearly need a course on it, so if you have any tips, please tell me. Thanks.
Count of Monte Cristo
I changed the text. I don't really think the novella piece is a modernization of the Count of Monte Cristo--oh, there are some notable similarities, but the fine plot details are a lot different--there's a lot more action in the Count of Monte Cristo. Olin 22:55, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
- I think that entire bit of trivia could be taken out, as the only thing the two have in common is two wrongfully imprisoned men who stage ingenius escapes. I think someone might have put it in there because in the movie, Dufresne gives the book to someone joking "Oh, you'll like it - it's about a prison break." RoyBatty42 18:45, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
It states in this article that Tommy is killed by Norton after he says his story is true. This only happens in the movie. In the novella he gets transferred.
This difference is clearly listed in "Differences between the Book and film" in the film article. --Sadistic monkey 02:21, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
Doesn't Andy get a mention in this story? --Charlesknight 23:09, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
- Yes, as the banker who helped Dussander transfer his ill-gotten gains into the United States. Dussander says he rememebers Andy because "his name sounds a little like mine" and also that Andy was imprisoned for killing his wife. Ellsworth 23:37, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
Under "Allusions in other works" someone had listed the novel It without citing the specific allusion as the other works have, so I removed it. Guess someone could add a generic "There is also a reference to Shawshank in the novel It."
BTW - Not sure if the word "allusion" is the proper one, if you want to split hairs. An allusion is generally not a direct reference, but something indirectly or implied. RoyBatty42 18:35, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
I believe that Shawshank Prison is mentioned somewhere in the novel It.
Red's Self-Imposed Title
In the movie, Red calls himself "a regular Sears and Roebuck", but in the book he uses a different title. I can't remember what it is and I don't have access to the book. Can someone fix this?
The novella was inspired by the real story of John McVicar's escape from the special wing of Durham prison.
Reference in Runescape
There is a reference in the game Runescape to this story, which I think should be added somewhere.
This is the reference: In the new Stronghold of Safety, there is a jail. If a person walks into the jail, then walks into the only open cell, they will see a poster, a cot, and the door to the cell. If one uses the "Examine" choice on the cot, it says "It looks like someone made this chess set with this tiny rock hammer." In addition, if one "Examine"s the poster, it says that it is "A Grubinch Pin-up. Eww."
It can't be a reference if Runescape is a game that was made AFTER the book was written. So shut up and go back to slaying virtual goblins you fool.
Do you realize what you just said? You're implying that the book references RuneScape, which it does not. The game references the book. I believe that you are the fool.
In the "differences between the novella and movie" section, it says he used a poster of Linda Ronstadt to escape in the novella, and Raquel Welsh in the film. Now, I haven't read the novella, but isn't it called "Rita Hayworth and Shawshank Redemption" because Rita Hayworth was on the poster? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.8.131.52 (talk) 01:49, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
- Rita is on the first poster. Andy replaces them through the years (presumably at night).184.108.40.206 (talk) 20:03, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
Why couldnt he be irish? I know he is joking in the context of the movie, but the articles asurance that he can't possible be irish just because he's african american is rediculous. One parent could be. Even back then. So, it seems like a pointless statement to have it in there for no reason that he can't possibly under any circumstances be irish. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.127.116.11 (talk) 18:01, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
'Red' is a typical nickname for mixed-race people eg. Malcolm X was nicknamed 'Red' due to his mother's white ancestors. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 18.104.22.168 (talk) 20:34, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
- In the film at least, Red is probably derived from his last name (his full name is Ellis Boyd Redding). Ollieinc (talk) 04:51, 24 March 2014 (UTC)
Andy's prisoner number
This article is broadcast from outernet.is where it is considered core content
Just a random observation that people may want to take into account before they decide the article is longer than the topic warrants. The purpose of outernet is to get information around internet censorship so this might be the only exposure that someone has to the story. Just saying. Elinruby (talk) 22:20, 16 October 2014 (UTC)