Talk:Romani dress
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[edit]The Horahane Roma (Muslim) and Dasikane Roma (Christian), didnt wear the same Trad. dress.
The Shalwar, a widely loose harem pants, was always a part of there own dress and part of the culture.
--Nalanidil (talk) 14:17, 27 July 2021 (UTC)
@Nalanidil: The Dasikane Roma are a specific subgroup of Romani people known as Christian Roma in Bulgaria and the southern Balkans. Even in Bulgaria, other subgroups such as the Kalderash, Ursari, etc. exist. Dasikane are known as the Christian Roma only in the areas of the former Ottoman empire like Bulgaria where they lived alongside the Horahane Muslim Roma. Dasikane does not apply to all Christian Roma, not even in Bulgaria as the Christian Vlax Roma that migrated after the Ottomans are known by other names. This is a general article about the dress of all Romani people. You are free to add information about the dress of Muslim Roma and how it differs but you need to add sources. I tried looking for sources of Shalwar wear among Horahane but was unable to find anything. I did however add a paragraph about some general differences in the dress of Christian and Muslim Roma. TagaworShah (talk) 20:22, 28 July 2021 (UTC)
Dasikane is not a group, its a term, the whole Muslim Roma call the christian roma dasikane, not only in Bulgaria. As christian roma call the muslim roma Horahane, but also not only in Bulgaria.
Here Pictures of Muslim Roma Woman wear trad. dress in Bjav (wedding and cirucmcison ceremony)
Also many video you can see in you tube, muslim roma wedding all wear dimije dress. Also the older woman wear the same. No any Horahane woman was dressed like the vlax woman.
Also the Horahane are divided in many subgroups, named after there old proffesions. They are also divided in sedentary and nomadic. But the majority was always sedentary, the yerliye.
That you can't find anything means nothing. Sorry, then search and you will find !!!. Don't make false claims here about Horahane Roma.
What is the traditional trousers of the muslim roma women for you? look at pictures, they wear shalwar (harem pants). Do you want to tell me about my own culture?
This article makes a generalization about Roma dress. It is heavily described by the culture of the Roma from Romania. And every non-Roma who reads this article gets the impression that all Roma wear the same Dress. But this is not true. Every Roma knows that they have different dress. Shalwar was always a part of the costume of the muslim roma, until to this day at celebrations.
Also, not all Roma groups see the word Gypsy as a slur. We the Şopar do not !
There is not a single Roma culture or tradition, language or music etc., everything is different, depending on the religion, the group, the environment.
We must finally stop this generalization of the Roma.
I ask you to clarify in your created article that our traditional roma costumes are not the same. The Kalderash costume is not the same for all Roma, and certainly not for the horahane groups. Thank you.
Nalanidil (talk) 11:08, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
@Nalanidil: Hello, I suggest you check out the Wikipedia manual of style to see how Wikipedia articles need to be formatted. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia and needs sources for any claims it makes, wikipedia is not somewhere for personal or original research. Also, let’s avoid the use of Ad hominem attacks such as “are you trying to tell me my own culture” and “you are spreading lies about Horahane.” Editiors must always assume good faith. Now as for your edits, the word “Dasikane” only exists in Balkan Romani dialects; it’s not a universal term for all Christian Roma; see the RomLexical database for more details.[1] In addition, the article already mentions that significant differences can be seen among different Romani groups, however, there are certain similarities that define what Romani dress is and that date back to the ethnogenesis of Romani people. Please wait until we reach consensus on your edits before adding them back. Thank you TagaworShah (talk) 14:06, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
You didnt made a difference in your article about the dress, not all roma groups have the same dress, this is a fact.
Nalanidil (talk) 14:10, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
@Nalanidil: The article specifically makes a distinction: “However, they also note that there are many differences as well, which is indicative of the contact Romani people have had with various other groups. Because of this, Romani dress can vary drastically among different tribes, however, there are certain constant similarities that define Romani dress as a whole.“ The use of the term Horahane was not contested just the use of Dasikane which is not accurate for all Christian Roma. The article specifically states that not all Roma have the same dress, it simply covers the similarities among all Roma dress such as the outwardly display of wealth, covering of the lower body etc. and then species what is specific to Vlax Roma, Muslim Roma, etc. TagaworShah (talk) 14:20, 29 July 2021 (UTC)