Talk:Andrew Murray (Scottish soldier)

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While both spellings are possible, it seems inconsistent to spell his name "Murray" and his father's "Moray". The latter is I believe more common. I realise this creates the disambiguation problem, I prefer "junior" even if it is an Americanism. PatGallacher (talk) 16:34, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

Copyright problems[edit]

This article has been evaluated as part of an ongoing contributor copyright investigation. I'm heartily sorry to say that from its foundation text was introduced which had been previously published in For the Lion.

Extended content

For a couple of examples, the article contains the following:

The divisions were such that Scotland was to face Edward without a united leadership. Parliament did at least agree to return to Robert Bruce's neglected scorched earth policy, and avoid direct contact with the superior English forces. The people of southern Scotland were told to take their livestock and moveable goods and seek refuge in the hills.

The book says, p. 137:

The divisions were such that Scotland was to face Edward's invasion without a united leadership. Parliament did, agree to return to Robert Bruce's neglected scorched earth policy, and avoid direct contact with the superior English forces. The people of southern Scotland were told to take their livestock and moveable goods and seek refuge in the hills.

It contains the following:

Murray's campaign in Fife brought quick success. Falkland Tower and Leuchars soon fell. St. Andrews Castle held out for three weeks, before being taken on 28 February with the aid of a wooden tower called 'Boustour', which appears to have been the kind of siege engine known at the time as a malvoisin - bad neighbour - which enables the besiegers to attack the battlements from above, while undermining the walls from below.

The book says, p. 152:

Murray's campaign in Fife brought quick success. Falkland Tower and Leuchars soon fell. St. Andrews Castle held out for three weeks, before being captured on 28 February with the aid of a wooden tower called 'Boustour', which appears to have been the kind of siege engine known at the time as a malvoisin - bad neighbour - which enables the besiegers to attack the battlements from above, while undermining the walls from below.

With only snippet views available of the book, it is impossible to determine how extensive the duplication is.

Unfortunately, it has been confirmed that Paterson's publisher has not approved the use of this text.

The article needs to be completely rewritten. It is being blanked and listed at the copyright problems board to give interested contributors an opportunity to craft a new version. Content contributed by other users can be used if it does not interact with text from this contributor in such a way as to create an unauthorized derivative work (since the copyright problem versions will probably be deleted, it's important to attribute in edit summary, such as "content contributed by [[User:Example]]"). It will be revisited by an administrator after about a week to see what further steps may be necessary. Thank you. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 14:26, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

As stated by Moonriddengirl, the foundation of the article was built on Paterson's writing and any revision would inevitably be an unauthorized derivative work. Unfortunately, it has been necessary to delete the entire article. I have replaced it with a stub article containing some basic facts. I have also included the list of references to assist interested editors in expanding and rebuilding the article. — Cactus Writer (talk) 09:03, 20 June 2010 (UTC)