Talk:Solun dialect

Gradobor

If you check Ekaterina and Blagoy Shlifov's book Bəlgarski Dialektni Tekstove ot Egeyska Makedoniya(p. 258), you can see that the dialect spoken in Gradobor is really of the Lower Vardar type, rather than the eastern Solun dialect. Keep up the great work. Kostolata (talk) 00:58, 30 October 2008 (UTC)Kostolata[reply]

Thank you for pointing this out. It seems that this dialect area is not homogenous and some traits differ even among neighboring villages. This makes it difficult to draw sharp borders so dialect areas differ very much in different works. It is impossible now to check it on site to confirm it. Most of the work after WWI has been done on refugees in Bulgaria and Macedonia, and some dialects were mixed up and overlapped.
From "Bulgarian dialectology", p. 185
Солунски говор
Несъмнено най-голям интерес представя говорът в околностите на Солун, представен най-добре в селата Висòка и Сухò, разположени в Лъгадинско, северно от Солун. Освен тези селища с подобен говор са селата Неговàн, Градобòр, Айвàтово, Ново село, Бàлевиц, Кирèчкьой, Клиселѝ.
Solun dialect
Undoubtedly, most interesting is the dialect in the neighborhood of Solun, represented best in the villages Visoka and Suho, in Lagadina Region, north of Solun. In addition to these villages, a similar dialect is spoken in the villages Negovan, Gradobor, Ayvatovo, Novo Selo, Balevets, Kirechkyoy, Kliseli. --Lantonov (talk) 07:11, 29 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Бобощица/Бобища

V. Grigorovich described the dialect of Boboshtitsa near Korcha, not Bobishcha near Kostur. So I, as a native speaker of the Kostur dialect must point out that Kostur was not the first Bulgarian dialect described. Kostolata (talk) 20:50, 28 January 2009 (UTC)Kostolata[reply]

Thank you for your interest. About Boboshtitsa/Bobishcha, the correction is not mine: I followed the interpretation of Stoilov (Anton Popstoilov) in his book about Zarovo, who corrected Grigorovich in such way. However, as you are native of Kostur, I tend to believe you more. I will check some more sources to see if it is Kostur or Korca dialect. Бобощица (Boboshticё), now in Albania, is indeed in the area of Korca dialect, rather than Kostur dialect. What I know so far is that both Stoilov and Malecki write about nasalism in the Kostur dialect. It is possible, though, that Malecki cites Stoilov, and Stoilov has got a wrong notion. It is a problem that needs to be researched some more. It is very possible that Grigorovich means Korca because nasalism is very evident and widespread in the names of Korca villages: Mborje (from Borja), Rёmbec (Рямбец from Рябец with the small nasal), Zёmblak (Жамблак from Жаблак, again the small nasal), etc.--Lantonov (talk) 07:11, 29 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Something from Афанасий Селищев, Славянское население в Албании, which says that nasalism is in Korca but also in Kostur, Prespa, Ohrid, and Debar dialects (hope you don't need translation from Russian). I was wrong in the choice of nasals, though. Big nasal instead of small nasal.
*ǫ, *ę
Процессы, пережитые в изменении носовых гласных в речи славян Албании, были такие же, что у славян Македонии и вообще Болгарии. В ближейшем же отношении эти процессы находились к процессам, происходившим в юго-западной Македонии, — в Костурском, Преспанском, Охридском и Дебрском краях.
а) В образовании носового гласного в некоторых сочетаниях (перед затворным согласным) выделилась самостоятельная артикуляция для носогово согласного: ѫ > ън, ъм, ѧ > ен. Гласный ъ или оставался в общем без изменения или подвергался изменению, не одинаковому в разных местностях Албании: ъ > о или а.
Топографические названия с ън (он, ан) находятся на юго-востоке. Севернее Шкумби такие сочетания не встречаются. Дъмбрас (на карте Дэмбрас, 4с), Лънга (на карте Лэнга, 3с, 2с), Лънгарица (5b, — местность, 5 с—d, — речка), Лънчка (5 а), Лангайца (3 с—d, -речка), Ръмбец-Рамбец (4d) вм. Рѫбъць.
--Lantonov (talk) 07:09, 30 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]